back to article Microsoft president exits US govt's digital advisory board as tech leaders quit over Trump

Tech leaders today resigned from the US government's digital economy advisory board over President Trump's inability to unequivocally condemn racists. So far, confirmed resignations include executive chairwoman of the Mozilla Foundation Mitchell Baker; president of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) …

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: That virtue signaling!

            I thought you'd call me a Mass Debator to be honest.

        1. Marcus Fil

          Re: That virtue signaling!

          When snowflakes get together they form glaciers; glaciers carve their way through mountains. Don't mess with snowflakes!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: That virtue signaling!

        "While the MSM might sometimes suffer from a lack of nuance, the author of this article tries a bit too hard to make allowances for some naughty children and comes across as an apologist for the far right, like CS Lewis was for Christianity."

        The author flat out lies about what Trump said. FTA:

        "...in which the President actively defended white supremacists..."

        Trump did no such thing, period. Yet YOU swallow the frothing media smears whole, because lies about Trump taste better to you than the truth. Worse, you actually try to accuse the author of apologizing for Trump! Just what do you use for a conscience, GW? Or brains, for that matter?

        1. Geoffrey W

          Re: That virtue signaling!

          @Big John

          You're letting your anger overtake you again. I was talking about the author of the blog mentioned by Destroy All Monsters - One Anatoly Karlin, and not the author of the Register post. I hadn't gotten round to Trump yet. I suppose its understandable to assume I meant the reg author given the context, if you arent paying close attention. Sorry if I misled. ;-)

          1. This post has been deleted by its author

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: That virtue signaling!

          Sorry for the remarks, GW, I withdraw them.

    1. TheElder

      the United States has an exceptional degree of respect for absolute freedom of speech

      Not to mention an internal civil war with firearms in the hands of psychotics.

      1. Francis Boyle Silver badge

        "psychotics"

        I hope you meant to say 'psychopaths'. The mentally ill have enough on their plate without been compared to these arseholes.

        1. TheElder

          I hope you meant to say 'psychopaths'.

          Definition: Psychosis refers to an abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". People suffering from psychosis are described as psychotic. ...

          Psychopath: Synonym: Psychotic

          The difference is plural.

      2. Ian Michael Gumby
        Holmes

        Re: the United States has an exceptional degree of respect for absolute freedom of speech

        the United States has an exceptional degree of respect for absolute freedom of speech

        Not to mention an internal civil war with firearms in the hands of psychotics.

        Funny but for all of the guns that were worn by the far right, not a single shot was fired.

        Yet last night 4 died and 28 were shot in Chicago.

        I suggest you learn what you are talking about.

        1. Rich 11 Silver badge

          Re: the United States has an exceptional degree of respect for absolute freedom of speech

          Funny but for all of the guns that were worn by the far right, not a single shot was fired.

          That's your main take-away point? It doesn't concern you that carrying weapons to a demonstration is a show of force and a threat of violence in itself? It doesn't exactly indicate a peaceful intent.

          1. RealityisntReal

            Re: the United States has an exceptional degree of respect for absolute freedom of speech

            Do you have the same feelings towards the leftists/Antifa groups that were carrying baseball bats and other items that they were perfectly happy to use as weapons?

      3. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Thumb Down

        Re: the United States has an exceptional degree of respect for absolute freedom of speech

        "an internal civil war with firearms in the hands of psychotics."

        WRONG.

        If firearms are in the hands of psychotics, then let's just arm REGULAR LAW ABIDING CITIZENS and be done with it. Deputize EVERYBODY if that's what it takes. You'll see gun crimes reduced to near-zero.

        In every city with a gun control law of some kind, you ALWAYS see a rise in violent crime that is (most likely) a direct result of the removal of handguns (particularly concealed handguns) in the possession of law abiding citizens.

        And anyway, ABSOLUTE freedom of speech is a GREAT thing. With the exception of outright libel, slander, and disruption of the peace [like the classic exampe of yelling 'FIRE' in a crowded theater], as long as you're peaceful about it, get permits when required for a public demonstration, and so forth, there is NO restriction as to what you can say, EVAR, and that goes TRIPLE for political things. Even if everyone else HATES it, you can say it. And the police will protect your right to do that.

        Meanwhile, it's probably smart to avoid the racist rally if you don't want to hear or watch that kind of thing.

        Imagine what would happen if a bunch of religious fanatics "crashed" a gay pride parade? Or what about HAVING a gay pride parade in the FIRST place, in a town that's controlled by religious people that don't lke homosexuality? Of course THOSE lawsuits "happened" so long ago that people forget.

        When the rubber band is on the OTHER claw (so to speak), or the shoe on the other foot, etc. then everybody on the left *WHINES* like a bunch of BABIES because SOMEONE out there DISAGREES with them. Well, TOO BAD. Freedom of Speech is Freedom of Speech. That means, as long as you're not inciting riots, or engaging in a crime of some kind (libel, slander, etc.) you're welcome to say what you want, within a reasonable context, and be protected while doing it.

        So ANTIFA is (as far as I can tell) a bunch of HYPOCRITES who are simply looking for an EXCUSE to RIOT. Most likely they're bought and paid for by George Soros [or some similar rich liberal].

        (and as for those white-supremacy racist bastards, and we know them by the words they spew, as well as the actions they take, so let them say that schtuff in public so that we will always be able to recognize them, and peacefully protest if you must - no rioting)

        1. Dan 55 Silver badge
          Facepalm

          Re: the United States has an exceptional degree of respect for absolute freedom of speech

          If firearms are in the hands of psychotics, then let's just arm REGULAR LAW ABIDING CITIZENS and be done with it.

          Yeah, that'll work, given that psychotics are in general more happy to use guns than REGULAR LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.

        2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
          Facepalm

          Re: the United States has an exceptional degree of respect for absolute freedom of speech

          "And anyway, ABSOLUTE freedom of speech is a GREAT thing."

          ...followed by a list of conditions and caveats.

          I'm not sure you know what ABSOLUTE mean Bob.

    2. Richard Plinston

      Re: That virtue signaling!

      > Society 282 has gone on a veritable purge of Alt Right and Dissident Right content on cyberspace...

      America may have free speech but:

      a) I have the right to not listen to it

      b) publishers have the right to not publish it.

    3. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: That virtue signaling!

      About the IEEE...

      https://www.ieee.org/documents/nondiscrimination.pdf

      So no, the good (wo)men can't do nothing.

  1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    Strong moral principles

    The same companies have also pulled all their manufacturing and sales operations in China, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel, pretty much everywhere in Africa, S. America etc

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
      Windows

      Re: Strong moral principles

      The same companies have also pulled all their manufacturing and sales operations in ... Israel ...

      You are pulling our collective legs.

      Lawyers who could withstand the strong winds of Chosen Rightousness just don't exist.

  2. mics39
    Paris Hilton

    Weight Watchers

    Surely their CEO is remaining for sound economic reason. Loyal Trumpers must be enormous market. I can also see Trumpy becoming the best salesman for Home Shopping Network.

    By the way, does GE still make washing machines and such? It would be such a shame if Make America Great Again mob were reduced to buying Samsungs and Mieles, wouldn't it?

    ---

    Paris because I hope she always watches her weight.

  3. PhilipN Silver badge

    The Trump Effect?

    /Pulpit mode on:

    Comments in these forums has become untenably knee-jerk reactionary and it is way past boring.

    /off.

    I confess I am watching American acquaintances for signs of stridency deriving from the new national personality emanating from the White House. So far, no. The national stereotype is still open, smart, engaged and enlightened. The stridency seems to come from us foreigners.

    1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      Re: The Trump Effect?

      Sorry but you have made a school-boy error: you have assumes that the Americans you know, who probably are from the educated and outward-looking section who deal with people outside the USA as colleagues, will suddenly change as if infected by some zombie virus.

      They won't. But that is the tragedy of the whole situation, and that mirrors the same thing in places like Egypt, Iraq, etc, is you will find the majority of people are decent folk simply trying to get on with their lives. The problem with Trump or any other extremist character is it brings the nutters out of the woodwork, folk who are doggy already but not shown their true stupidity until called. Those are the ones to worry about.

      1. Roger Kynaston Bronze badge
        Joke

        Re: The Trump Effect?

        "folk who are doggy already"

        Are you suggesting that His Orangeness is given to casual sex in parks?

        Or perhaps it is that he pants a lot and is given to licking his balls?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The Trump Effect?

      Comments in these forums has become untenably knee-jerk reactionary

      Oooooooh noooooooo it hasn't!

  4. Updraft102

    "Far reaching racism"

    No; far-reaching fake news. It's reached all the way to the Reg...

    Trump did not defend fascists or white supremacists. That's a straight-up lie. He said there were good people on both sides of the debate over removing confederate statues. That's what was at the root of this whole thing, but of course the media pretends otherwise so it can keep furthering its agenda.

    Trump didn't attack "anti fascist" protestors. He protested "Antifa," a violent left-wing extremist group that pretends to be anti-fascist even as it uses fascistic techniques to advance its cause, advocating murder and assassination to accomplish its goals. The radical leftists have been committing acts of violence with impunity, including too many cases of assault and battery to count, not to mention the attempted assassination of a sitting member of Congress, but they get a pass from the media because they're on the same side. We're supposed to think it's okay that the left uses actual violence to advance their cause because they hate the "right" people. We're supposed to fear the non-violent right so much that we approve of the thuggery against them. (Does that sound "anti-fascist" to you?)

    And here's the kicker: Fascism isn't right wing. Free enterprise in fascism? Yeah, sure. Individual rights? Don't count on it. Low taxes and deregulation? Are you nuts?

    Fascism is a kissing cousin of Marxist socialism, and both are about as far from what "right wing" means today as it is possible to be. I don't care if those "alt-right" morons think they're right-wing; the truth is that they are collectivists who judge people for membership in a group rather than as individuals, and that's what the left is all about. They agree with their left-wing antagonists on every issue, except that they're on the other side. They both agree with hating people because of membership in a certain group; they just disagree which side is the "bad" side.

    They can call themselves dolphins or alligators or kitchen tables, but it doesn't make it true. They're all collectivists, and there's no more difference between Marxist socialism and National socialism than there is between Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims, who are always at one another's throats despite their common religion.

    The media is demonstrating how nearly anything anyone says can be twisted to fit some agenda. It used to be that there was some sense of reason and fairness that played a role, but now it's all about their agenda. It's a shame the Reg is taking part in the fake-news, but I guess the ends justify the means if you really hate someone enough. Seems to me, though, that someone worthy of that much hate would have things you could legitimately attack rather than having to twist, lie, and distort at every opportunity.

    1. Robert 22

      Did you see the footage of the Friday night demonstration? It was something out of 1930s Germany - heavily armed men with torches parading about chanting authentic Nazi slogans. This was followed by the spectacle of the President trying to avoid saying anything negative about them and even then, he felt he had to find a few nice things to say to say. And not even the slightest sign of a belated recognition that he may have gone too far with his previous demagoguery.

      I would also add that I am much more concerned about the militias and other right wing groups in the US than the Antifa groups. Among other things, the most serious example of a terrorist act carried out in the US by American citizens would, by a large margin, have been the Oklahoma City bombing.

      1. TheElder

        a terrorist act

        I think developing atomic weapons scores fairly high. That includes the atomic spies.

        SPIES

  5. TheElder

    Genetics

    Trump's father had Alzheimer's. It is a genetic disorder. Symptoms include poor memory, distracted thinking with inability to concentrate. This is also correlated with BMI, higher is worse. There are several other correlations that are very strong including PPD, Personality Paranoia Disorder.

    1. Mark 110

      Re: Genetics

      Trumps father was also a racist: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/jun/30/old-man-trump-tom-morello-ani-difranco-woody-guthrie

      I wonder where his son gets it from?

      1. bombastic bob Silver badge
        FAIL

        Re: Genetics

        "Trumps father was also a racist"

        My mother was a big-time feminist during the 60's and 70's. So does that make ME a feminist?

        And don't forget that JFK's father was an alleged CRIME BOSS.

  6. chivo243 Silver badge
    Alert

    The rats, the rats!

    Don't they usually abandon a sinking ship? This is only one symptom of the rot that is permeating American Corporate Politics. Sad really.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Digital?

    Could someone explain to me what the word "Digital" means? I work in a company that has been writing programs for chips for over 30 years, this has always resulted in large files of binary 1s and 0s that have been loaded onto ICs that processed everything in binary. Recently our CEO announced that the whole world is going digital and we need to as well, so he has created a Digital business unit. I thought we had been Digital for over 30 years, however the meaning of the word seems to have changed, can someone enlighten me?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Trollface

      Re: Digital?

      I saw a dirt cheap, brandless set of headphones in one of those stores a long time ago. They were 'Digital Ready' or something similar, according to the package... so there's probably a hint for you. I guess it means 'moar better because of raisins'. Also, it's got electrolytes.

    2. Mark 110

      Re: Digital?

      In my experience it means, to most companies, moving their distribution and customer service from physical, or telephony, interactions, to internet based. I have worked on a few 'Digital' transformation projects and they were all either trying to move their sales and logistics, or customer service on to their web page. Instead of through their physical stores or call centres.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Digital?

        It means you gonna get replaced by H1Bs

  8. handleoclast
    Coat

    Trump is NOT a racist

    Trump can't be a racist. Some of his best daughters are Jewish.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Trump is NOT a racist

      "Trump can't be a racist. Some of his best daughters are Jewish."

      Womenfolk! Not relevant.

  9. Alistair Dabbs

    IEEE

    I'm relieved Karen Bartleson walked away but why did it take so long? IEEE has official policy to make a stand against bullying, let alone racism.

  10. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    AI,...... but not as you might be XPecting IT, Providing Immaculately Sourced Codes to XSSXXXX

    Uncle Sam is Ripe for Alien Intervention and President Trump needs only to Register himself as an Interested Party to Significant Other Parties browsing Ethereal Ventures and Remote Virtual Command and Control of Fabless Futures here.

    Although you can be sure Big Tech [the Googles, Microsofts and Apples and Yandexss out there] are all also likely targets for Provision of Presents with Prime Practical Parallel Programming Platforms for Perfectly Phished and Phormed Product Placements

    :-) And that is AIFloat of Weeny AIdVentures4MegaMetaData Billionaires with SMARTR IntelAIgent Stock for All Master Great Game Players to XSXXXX:-)

    And yes, that is perfectly serious and a fine opportunity to be really inquisitive and supportively disbelieving, and if things are moving on in cyberspace at too much of a Racing RAT Pace, fear not for we can always come back to lead you through any difficulties you might be experiencing in moving on into a Better Beta MegaMetaData Space.

    Those pesky Remote Access Trojans just love that Warped Speed for ITs Crashing-Crushing-Cruising Rushes.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    But what do they think the effect will be?

    Running away basically means you lose all your options to make any kind of difference at all. Staying onboard might help you get your grievances across and things could actually change.

    Sure, I also doubt that the administration would actually listen, but running away practically ensures that none of your arguments will be heard or used.

    1. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge

      Re: But what do they think the effect will be?

      Running away basically means you lose all your options to make any kind of difference at all.

      No; that only removes the ability to bring about change from within.

      It still leaves the ability to achieve change from outside and it may often be the best option when change from within has been tried and has failed.

      I am sympathetic to those who gave Trump the benefit of doubt, hoped they could help steer him towards the right course for the good of everyone. How I will judge them is how they respond now they have realised that hope was misplaced, how they continue to pursue what they believe is right.

  12. Aynon Yuser

    President Dump probably thought he could round up all the big wigs and turn them all into his best buddies hang out and play golf. He also probably thought that hanging out with them would create the illusion that he's a likeable wonderful human being.

    Turns out no one in the playground wants to play with him so he ends up playing all alone.

    Awe. So sad.

  13. Hans 1 Silver badge
    Mushroom

    executive chairwoman of the Mozilla Foundation [left Trump's panel]

    What ????? She was on that panel ?????????

    I have had enough .... there go Firefox and Thunderbird .... with all due respect, madam, fuck YOU and your foundation.

    1. Hans 1 Silver badge

      Note that I have used this since Phoenix 0.1, used it in production, on my workstation, since Phoenix 0.5.

      Really miffed to read this crap!

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Oh Dear...

  14. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Meh

    Wot . 2 pages in and no word from Bombastic Bob

    At least none he'll put his name to.

    Most strange.

    1. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: Wot . 2 pages in and no word from Bombastic Bob

      fame is overrated

  15. RonWheeler

    Virtue signalling

    Tech bosses scared of giving wrong impression to the fashionistas.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So Trump blames both groups of protesters for being petulant shits and causing destruction, injury, and loss of life, and that makes him a bad person? You hipsters need to get a hold of yourselves. All these quitters are just doing it for the SJW 'feels' and media coverage. Can we just ignore them and get back to our daily lives?

  17. Paul 135

    Just who the hell do these tech companies think they are? They're supposed to be talking about the economy yet get involved in promoting anti-white racism and pro-Communist ideology. All they are proving is that no white patriot can now trust these companies.

POST COMMENT House rules

Not a member of The Register? Create a new account here.

  • Enter your comment

  • Add an icon

Anonymous cowards cannot choose their icon

Biting the hand that feeds IT © 1998–2020