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Top-secret documents leaked by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden have been plastered across our screens and front-pages for months by Glenn Greenwald and his team. And on Friday the journalist couldn't help but leak a few details about a forthcoming wave of fresh revelations regarding the US and UK governments' mass surveillance …


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      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: They can't snoop it you don't use the device

        "Oh yeah, they could also glean details from your SILENCE. Face it, they'll figure things out from the things you HAVE to do to live: even walking."

        Failing that just make up a faintly plausible story that will barely be covered by the facts. People still wearing orange jumpsuits in a camp out west, a lot of them innocent and simply born with a dark skin and being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: They can't snoop it you don't use the device

      "3) Go back to pen/pencil and paper for communications."

      I have a pile of damp wood, a blanket and some matches.

      I think owning and using matches is still legal.

      Coat. In case the blanket blows away. With a flint and steel in the pocket.

    2. Syntax Error

      Re: They can't snoop it you don't use the device

      Trouble is have a beer or five and first four will soon be forgotten.

  1. Forget It

    Peer-to-peer onboard?

    Theoretically mobile phones can connect peer-to-peer

    Ancient link:

    but it's not in the commercial world's / NSA's interest to perfect it for us

    1. phil dude
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      Re: Peer-to-peer onboard?

      i recently had the thought of mesh computing becoming a movement. In London, you can't move for Wifi connections, so perhaps it is simply a question of population density. It is not an easy problem, though computing becomes ever denser...

      Of course, it doesn't hurt the surveillance to have centralised and "slow" connections....

      I'll openly admit that I think Google is in it for the money, but they are stirring up a hornets nest, with their 1Gbps home service.

      I'll repeat my hope that if *everyone* had 1 Gbps, what would the world look like? Of course, that depends if it is private or not....


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      1. Don Jefe

        Re: Peer-to-peer onboard?

        The quote people whip out all the time about never underestimating your enemy has two more components in its proper form. Like most things, knowing only part of something, and attempting to apply it for an advantage, is more dangerous than complete ignorance of the issue.

        Tzu, incorrectly, often gets credit for the concept, but what it breaks down to is: 'Giving your enemy any more or any less consideration than warranted is to expose your vulnerabilities and sacrifice any opportunity for the attack. The opposing force is not the enemy, pride and fear are the enemies of the general. These enemies force a perpetual defensive posture from which lost ground can never be regained. Only through the clear lens of reality may the general see the true path to victory, all other paths lead to defeat. Remove from your ranks those who would plant the seeds of fear and nourish them with baseless rumors and dark whispers of defeat. Remove from your ranks those would forget their station as mortals and place their trust in the trappings of wealth as they will surely destroy you as completely as the sword of your enemy.'

        In other words don't go making up troubles or ignoring them. Identify the enemy's weakness and strike and what lives and breathes, not the stuff of nightmares, but other men who can be defeated if you recognize them for what they truly are.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Peer-to-peer onboard?

          Thing is, did Sun Tzu ever have to consider the unlikely but still realistic possibility of a surprise attack of such devastating effect that it can constitute an existential threat? Sure it's easy to be paralyzed by fear, but human instinct tends to overrule much anything else when it's "the one that'll kill you": even more so when it's "the one that'll destroy your land, if not the entire world."

  2. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Lost in the New News Space and the NEUKlearer Live Operational Virtual Environment

    And the sad old BBC is called out for what it is nowadays by Greenwald ......

    Does that then extraordinarily render the Corporation an enemy of the people and state if it hosts and pimps and pumps that which disguises and avoids the truth at great cost ...... and in so doing seeks to present a false reality which has been planned to deliver personal crusades and private business ventures?

    And the answer to those questions are ... Yes, most definitely.

  3. Bob Hoskins


    A reasonable sized bomb / missile should take care of the NSA.

    1. DasBub

      Re: Booom!!!!

      Well, no, it couldn't. NSA consists of more than a single cube at Fort Meade. You may take out a lot of analysts, management, processing equipment, and communications links, but: most collection is done off-site; analysts and processing equipment are stationed all over the world; contingency procedures exist; other intelligence agencies - domestic and allied, military and civilian - could provide collection and analysis coverage in time of crisis.

      1. Vic

        Re: Booom!!!!

        You may take out a lot of analysts, management, processing equipment, and communications links

        May I?

        Ooh, thank you!


  4. John Smith 19 Gold badge

    " obsessed..." "little crevice on the planet where some forms of communication may be taking place"

    That's not a security organisation.

    That's a data fetishist.

  5. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Change you can Believe in for IT is Real and Virtually Controlled and thus Untouchable, ....

    .... but IT can be a'fiddled with graciously and gracefully and gratuitously too for all the right reasons, of course, to satisfy humans. I Kid U Not :-)

    A Future Celebration for the New Year, El Reg. And some valuable insider trading information outed to spook and flash crash crooked ponzi markets?

    Is it an Official State Secret to know that GCHQ invents intelligence product to driver the media presentations that communications relay to audio-visual receivers/dumb terminals/ignorant human beings ..... or does everyone know that is how IT works for Cyber Command and Virtual Remote Control of Everything? Or is that just a SMARTR App for Global Operating Devices in Live Operational Virtual Environments with Greater IntelAIgent Gamers?

    That statement to an inquiry would have one enabled and able to presume and assume that Global Communications Head Quarters deliver Official State Secret produce for seeding and feeding of need to Official Secret States via Remote SMARTR App Control of Networks in Command of the Live Operational Virtual Environment and AI and the Greater IntelAIgent Games Field.

    And that be a little something that Secret Intelligence Services provide to nations internationally for their own CyberIntelAIgent Security and Virtual Protection from NEUKlearer HyperRadioProActive IT Misuse and Abuse and Wanton Use, for that is ITs Immaculate Temptation with the Stickiest of Sweet Honey to Trap All Saints and Sinners who be so Lost and Deliciously Fallen into IntelAIgent Community Enterprise Spaces.

    And more than a tad or three or four way above the pay grade of a Sub-Prime Puppet Prime Minister or Renegade President, a Pantomime Parliament or a Conspiring Congress, or a Rifkind or a Vaz or a Chilcot type, methinks, who be just as media manipulated bit players to the gallery and fanatics on the bleachers until they rebel and present the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, which apparently be a revolutionary act. How very odd.

  6. Aoyagi Aichou

    Too bad he (Snowden) didn't mention some specific reasons or examples why privacy is so important. It's very clear that a lot of people need that and are too lazy to do the research themselves.

    1. Don Jefe

      The people who don't understand the issues in all this are the same people who would sacrifice the rights of all for the illusion of safety. Those people are already lost, they have freely given away the very things they are scared to lose.

      The best we can hope for is that those people cower quietly behind their imaginary walls and don't venture out to destroy the rest of us in a flawed attempt to protect themselves.

  7. Tank boy

    Snowden has been out of loop for so long, any information, if any of it was legit in the first place, is well past it's expiration date.

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  9. Stevie


    "NSA conducts all of its activities in accordance with applicable laws, regulations, and policies – and assertions to the contrary do a grave disservice to the nation, its allies and partners, and the men and women who make up the National Security Agency"

    Here you see how much the country has grown under President Obama. Under President -C-h-e-n-e-y- Bush this statement would have read "Why do you hate America?"


  10. Whiznot

    Every breath you take

    Every move you make

    Every bond you break

    Every step you take

    I'll be watching you.

    Every single day

    Every word you say

    Every game you play

    Every night you stay

    I'll be watching you.

    Oh can't you see

    You belong to me?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      That song always creeped me out a bit.

      1. FunkyEric

        Sting has always creeped me out a bit.

        There, fixed that for you :-)


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