Psst! <whisper> Hey, i think this article is meant as a joke. It's a shit joke I agree, but still. Thought you should know</whisper>
”The New Aesthetic has the ‘scenius’ of London’s Silicon Roundabout to support it. These people are working creatives of Bridle’s generation, with their networked tentacles sunk deep in interaction design, literature, fashion and architecture. If you wanted a creative movement whose logo is a Predator supported by glossy, …
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I skimmed it this morning so didnt realise it was a joke. In my (poor) defence I got someone else to check the article out to see if it reads as legit and they thought it was too.
It was only this morning I had been telling the office of this guy and his 'coding' skills and his rasberry PI article too.
I am glad reading the comments that I am not the only one who sees how close to reality some of these comments are and took it serious.
Alright almighty engineers: How do you vertically center an item on a page? How do you produce a page that can be read easily by a screen reader? What, if anything, do you have to take into account when designing a page for multiple languages? With regard to SEO are there any web design approaches to avoid? And can you do this in a standards-compliant way and still have it display on IE7?
And, the big question: does it matter for a company like, say, Amazon? If so then it deserves a decent salary, and arguably more than shaving a ms from a robot trading algorithm, despite what some overhypers have to say.
Just because you can bash out a home page in vi doesn't mean you can do it well. But then twenty years ago it was "garbage collection will never be as quick" or you couldn't run a proper server on x86 chips. Snobs, the lot of you.
"who would have an industry at all if software engineers hadn't built him one."
Software engineer? WTF?
You bloody prgrammers would have no industry if it wasn't for proper "engineers" who design and build the hardware :-)
A real engineer knows which end of the screwdriver is the business end and has oil under his/her fingernails.
And as for those people who keep confusing the word "code" with writing a computer programme...get a dictionary. A markup languge is as much "code" as a programming language. Different job, different skill. Debatable whether they are of equal dificulty, but both are "coding" so long as you remember that coding != programming.
Well, I've noticed that CSS is a curious time sink. Back when a colleague and I were building web reporting pages, we did the layout properly using CSS. He's the expert, and I dabbled, but we both experienced the effect whereby any attempt to modify the CSS automatically consumed an entire afternoon minimum. Irrespective of the apparent triviality of the change required.
I'll upvote you, but I think you are missing our (coders,admins) point somewhat.
I don't undervalue your skillset. HTML, CSS is easy to write. But quite hard to get just right. I know, I've dabbled in it. Good designers are valuable and arguably a bad designer will produce worse results than a bad coder, whose handicraft may work, but just slowly or in an error-prone fashion.
But, being a designer in HTML is a different skillset from being a developer altogether. When someone says that they want to promote programming and shows off his one-day, shake 'n bake, "programming class in HTML" to prove his point then that really leads me to wonder who decided that particular person was qualified to be an expert on technology.
Flip it around - "we need to promote web design skills so I've spent a day learning Visual Basic". Does that sound clever to you?
Christ. Look, I'm not an HTML guy - I write server-side Java and before that C & Perl on UNIX boxes, and have done since the late 80s. But to disparage HTML/CSS/JS as "not real programming" is a cheap shot made by people who's experience of HTML is undoubtedly limited to a few table tags for formatting. It's moved on. Think learning K&R C from the white book and expecting to understand the Linux Kernel.
I completely agree about your point as a "designer" - I can't design for toffee - but that's not what I'm talking about here. A web team for an outfit like Amazon or BBC will have a design team and a front-end build team, who translate the mockup into HTML/CSS/JS. If done properly it's technical work, with definite elements of software engineering. And I can say that with absolute certainty as I've been extremely well paid to do both.
It's not a "cheap shot" made by "people whose experience of HTML is undoubtedly limited to a few table tags for formatting". I have been a C and C++ programmer on embedded devices and in telecoms. I've also dabbled in DB design, mainly because I'm good at it and I enjoy the nature of the work. And I have also, more recently and because people seem keen to pay me for it, done web development which (along with a fair bit of JQuery, AJAX and such) included doing all the HTML and CSS which was a very great deal more than using a table for layout. I'm already using some of the new HTML5 elements, I can not only position stuff where I want, but I can get it to not break in IE7 either (almost always).
The point of all this? In my not very humble opinion based on having worked professionally both in "real" programming and coding up HTML and CSS, I can tell you that yes, HTML and CSS are indeed easier than actual programming. Quite a lot easier actually.
That's why people who are skilled in actual programming get huffy when HTML and CSS work are called programming. Because they aren't in the same league.
So my HTML work goes far beyond dabbling, thank you very much. But I don't confuse it with programming; and I don't think too highly of the opinions of those who do.
How many of the people commenting appearing to not get it are really not getting it and how many are playing along with the joke?
For what it's worth I welcome the arrival of Bong! and the departure of BOFH.
Semi-amusing historical footnote, I remember going to visit a 'VR' company (the company selling WorldToolKit if anyone remembers that) near Old Street station in what is now Tech City / Silicon Roundabout about 20 years ago. They were obviously the forerunners of this brave new paradigm shifting industrial / post-industrial power-house (I think they were are spin off of a company that did software for music labels).
there was an article on a NZ news website last month complaining that a lot of people were sticking some front-end on a database and calling it "Technology innovation".
I don't think we have exhausted the full electronic engineering component of IT, even though the chips are getting more complex and faster.
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My sense of humor was ticked precisely because it's real albeit a bit blown up with a magnifying glass.
Unfortunately a lot of 'start up' thinks they're the bomb and turns out they can't even code properly. You'll find mostly this type of people hanging around techcrunch and other startups for startups types all too often, mixing in and rubbing up the sugar daddies.
Spot on and lmao. Unfortunate that this will hit the nail on the head of the very people it's taking the piss out of.
it's nothing to be ashame of. Those guys contributes to bubble 2.0 which we need to pop.
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Real programming would be simillar to Actionscript, ASP, CGI(perl), PHP, JSP --- the list goes on...
you cannot call yourself a true coder unless you know how it interacts with the underlying framework, which alot of coders these days either 'dont care' or 'dont know'... they then wonder why their code doesnt work properly!! (the young and old can be guilty of this)
The "code" that runs TheRegister, facebook, the BBC News or google, would not exist without HTML, as HTML is a prerequisite of the underlying code.
It is a prerequisite because it replaces having to write complicated code to generate a user interface.
Because it replaces having to write the complicated user interface code your self, it is at least as valuable as the equivalent code.
Admittedly, HTML has a prerequisite that you need a browser in order to view the user interface - why? - because it's reliant upon code.
So, HTML is used to call functions, and you can write programs to produce different HTML depending on
A> the results of the functions,
B> the results of the programs
C> the results of the interaction between everything
D> whether or not you have HTCPCP compliant devices attached.......
Is it code? It's certainly time for another coffee..
Mine's the coat with the V for Vendetta mask, as my helpdesk work for the week is over, and now i'm on user interface development for a bespoke customer-facing database front-end instead.
Yes, it's got easier for script-kiddies... but this article is utter tripe.
There's a reason that Angry birds HTML5 game, which is really the cutting edge of HTML5 was programmed in Java in GWT, with a solid testing environment, IDEs and supported various software patterns. Because it makes sense! Computer science, and the necessary leverage that you get from type checking (that enabled GWT) will never go away. This article represents the new ignorance, smugness and self-satisfying rationalization.
The BBC and broadcast media is obsolete now, as far as I'm concerned, this explains how retarded they are on subjects like computing. All my media is now recorded and unscheduled, so broadcast media just seems archaic to me now.
To the people who like broadcast 'media events' like sports matches, get real; I don't judge the modern version of Roman Gladiator circuses of any benefit, given it is just part of the media distraction industry to keep you from think about what is really important, like getting genuinely meaningful entertainment and news, especially seeing all the inconvenient Fnords which TPTB want you to ignore!
All 'Whale Song' money-for-nothing arses need to be mocked, shunned, even fought, defeated, and neutralised, so that we can get back to a genuine robust economy and earned happiness.
If anyone here knows Steve Bong, hit him with this post and Alternate Reality Gambit and quite very reasonably fully expect a novel tech city reaction ........ http://heddinout.com/?p=7026#comment-12329
For some Joining up the Dots. Jointing the Bigger Picture for Mobile Flexibility and Speedy ProAction in Changed Program Projects ...... New World Order Plays for the TelePrompting of Media Puppets Pimping and Pumping Sub-Prime Portfolios.
I understand that the article is supposed to be read "Tounge in Cheek", but anyone who describes HTML as a programming language needs to start writing in assembler. This will teach you the basics of real programming and give you the building blocks and understanding of what is really happing "under the hood",which can then be applied to any other REAL programming language.
HTML, by my definition cannot be described as a programming language as the basics are missing. I.E Branching, Looping and conditionals. As I see it HTML defines the layout and content of a web page. Which in turn is parsed by the browser calling the appropriate real code functions along the way to produce the desired web page.
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