back to article Blighty's film biz asks gov to hurry up pirate crackdown

The government should implement anti-piracy measures contained in the Digital Economy Act (DEA) "as quickly as possible", an independent panel appointed to review the future of the UK film industry has said. The Film Policy Review Panel was appointed by the government and has said that copyright infringement is contributing to …

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    1. david wilson

      >>"Further, I do not believe piracy is the cause of their falling profits, as I don't believe that one pirated copy = 1 lost sale."

      Surely, to be confident that piracy is not a cause of falling profits, you'd need to believe that on average, "one pirated copy = precisely zero lost sales", not merely that the relation isn't 1:1?

  1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    AI Turing Muse .... Al Turing AIMusing with Inklings

    And what if the content for pirating was provided for pirating leading media in a new direction? Then would IT be Immaculate Source and Novel and Noble in SIN?

    Who and/or What Creates that Immaculate Sourcery? :-)

    Hi, El Reg, just testing a run of quantum circuits to kickstart some Orwell Prize activity in AI SurReal CHAOS Systems. BetaTesting the Unfathomed Depths of the Perfect Rabbit Hole.

  2. F. D. R. Stuart
    WTF?

    Enough of this. If a business is unwilling to adapt its business model to a changing market it should go out of business. I thought that was what the whole "free market" thing was about. Obviously I need to learn about double standards.

    The fact that legislation only meant to preserve an antique business model of a special interest group is even considered to be passed is a disgrace. It only goes to show that there is distinct lack of seperation of big business and state.

  3. Tringle

    Stopped buying a while back . .

    Maybe I just have more patience now.

    The rental shop closed, where I was a regular if small time client. There is no English language downloading service in France (and the French ones are horrifically expensive), so no go there. DVDs in the shops here, €20+, BluRays €25 plus; no film hard copy is worth that much to me. Go to the cinema occasionally, hate 3D.The last DVD I bought was Avatar, 'cos it was cheap.

    So now I get my films for free. From Film 4 or some other satellite channel. I can wait a year or so to see a film for free, thanks very much.

    As someone else has already pointed out the industry should pay us to watch low IQ teen drivel movies that comprise the bulk of current output.

  4. SleepyJohn
    Pirate

    STOP PRESS: Media Industry changes tack to outwit pirates

    I just spotted this announcement in another Reg article. It seems the Media Industry is utilising its remarkably sensitive, state-of-the-art skill at customer relations to go up against Google. Perhaps the moguls will now become so rich that they won't have to worry about Johnny Silver & The Parrots nicking their coffee break cash.

    -------------------------------------------

    Media Industry Search Engine challenges Google!!

    Welcome to RACQUETS, the great new alternative to Google. We promise to bat your searches back and forth until you have no money left. Enter your search term and have your credit card ready!

    - You have entered 9 words. The cost of your query will be $99.99. Read these conditions then call a premium number on your cellphone at peak time and wait a while if you do not want to continue; otherwise your credit card will be automatically charged shortly after you have finished reading:

    1 - Your search term, the displayed results, all your family photos and any rectangles with rounded corners will become the Intellectual Property of Bagman Extortion Racquets inc. If you look at them we will sue you.

    2 - Your eyes will be tracked as you read the results. If you want to read them again you will be charged again, and again for successive views of all or any part of the results. If you remember results we will sue you.

    3 - You are not permitted to read results aloud where others might overhear, or leave them on the screen facing a window. If you do we will sue you.

    4 - You are not permitted to copy results to your hard drive or a usb stick or the cloud or your brain without paying Bagman Extortion Racquets an extra fee. If you don't cough up we will sue you.

    5 - Failure to comply with any of the above will result in immediate disembowelment without anaesthetic, together with a fine of $666 for each of the bits and bytes involved. We will not tolerate online piracy. Piracy is theft. Piracy is evil. If we run short of caviar in our penthouse garrets we will sue you. Stop Online Pirac ...

    8 - You have now exceeded the time limit for this search. Your credit card will be charged again. Our legal advisors (Fuckyou Fuckwit & Payme) have noted where your children go to school. This is to ensure that our service is not abused by pirates. If your children sing Happy Birthday we will sue you.

    9 - You have failed to cancel the search so your credit card will be charged again. To stop further automatic payments every 13 seconds go to a library computer in a nearby town, load this page and press CANCEL (Windows Vista only, 0200-0215 local time). If you succeed we will sue you.

    -------- Be a HIT MAN with RACQUETS! --- --- HIT the online PIRATES!! --------

    RACQUETS had three searches on its very first day, two from bored cats and one from a very fat Bluebottle. Analysts warn Google to beware of this ground-breaking, polished commercial challenge to its airy-fairy hippy business model. The Media Industry warns that if the human race continues to communicate amongst itself without paying the MAFIAA extortion money it will do its damnedest to prove the Mayans right. And finally a Mayan pops up and says that a more accurate analysis shows that only the Media Industry will end in 2012. So the rest of us will live even more happily ever after than we could possibly have hoped to.

  5. MyHeadIsSpinning
    Pirate

    Fat lot of good it will do but...

    I sent an email to the prime minister via the number10.gov.uk website. This is what I wrote: -

    Dear Prime Minister

    I am writing this email to let you know that I oppose any UK version of SOPA and PIPA, both US bills of which you are probably aware.

    My reasons are that: -

    1) Copyright infringement is not theft, but is in fact (excuse the pun) unlicenced copying (the dictionary definitions for theft and copying are very different). It should not be tackled in the same way as theft.

    2) The entertainment industry is making as much money as it ever was, demand and consumption are still very high. The entertainment industry does not need to have the internet castrated in order to survive.

    3) SOPA and PIPA are bills created for and by corporations serving their interests and undermining basic freedoms which up until recently were taken for granted by US citizens. Our colonial friends are forsaking their freedom to make a quick buck; we should not do the same.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Fire up the VPN

    To the Pirateorium!

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Waste of time

    "In its draft code of practice, Ofcom said that internet users should receive three warning letters from their ISP if they are suspected of copyright infringements online. Details of illegal file-sharers who receive more than three letters in a year would be added to a blacklist, the draft code said. Copyright-holders would have access to the list to enable them to identify infringers. Under the draft code, ISPs could also have to suspend users' internet access if they were found to be illegally downloading copyrighted material."

    OK so i purchase a mobile dongle with an unregistered sim, what you going to do then??

    What if i use a VPN?

    Even when they do finally take action, they really think that it's going to stop piracy!

    Guess what?? ITS NOT!

    Fair access is what is needed, try to use the stick before the carrot and you'll be sorry. Be warned. People will not put up with it.

  8. Fuh Quit
    Pirate

    Dear Media Industry - meet 21st Century

    Honestly, I can remember the early days of DVD when I bought a region-free DVD and, over about 6 years, bought 800 DVDs.

    Many in the early days were played on my DVD player before they were finished in the movie theatres where I live. Over the years, this improved as I am sure the studios sat up and noticed that regional sales were higher in certain regions (which would ironically also charge less than local markets). I think releases on DVD and BD are actually quite close together now so there is no need to have region-free any more.

    The refusal to move to a 21st century model and deliver content quickly and cheaply to people in a manner in which they want to consume it. We are the decision makers, not them. We are saving them money in the long run with fewer factories needed, fewer delivery trucks, fewer overheads......as long as they embrace it not try to fight it. #occupyhollywood

    Two more things:

    1. If you treat the world as segmented and make your consumer feel 2nd rate, they will use the globalisation of the Internet against you. So.......stop.

    2. If piracy gets J-Lo off my TV screen due to those Fiat ads, I'm off to TPB to download everything she's every mad and encourage you to do so too.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Lot of tax money used to "protect" the media industry. How about using the taxpayer money to also protect the taxpayer?

    When are we going to see government initiatives to force the media industry to stop cheating on the customers? When are they going to investigate things like:

    - over-charging customers for content they've already paid for (I paid for the DVD, I should only pay production and distribution costs for the Blu-Ray, isn't it?)

    - price fixing for the discs and even for on-line distribution channels

    - keep blocking or at least delaying new distribution models (where's my Netflix in Europe, without idiotic content limitations?)

    - mis-representing themselves as "protecting the artists", when they quite often are screwing the artists themselves

    1. david wilson

      @AC

      >>"When are they going to investigate things like:"

      >>"- over-charging customers for content they've already paid for (I paid for the DVD, I should only pay production and distribution costs for the Blu-Ray, isn't it?)"

      Taken to an extreme, if there was some film with absolutely stunning effects on Blu-ray, the kind of thing that would make millions buy a Blu-Ray player to watch, would it necessarily be 'unfair' for the DVD to be sold dirt cheap, or even given away with a newspaper, just to get people wanting the Blu-ray one?

      In that situation, would someone really have a case for saying it was unfair that they had to pay more than production/distribution costs for the Blu-Ray?

      Surely, at minimum, if there was an 'upgrade' service offered, you'd expect someone would have to pay at least the DVD/Blu-Ray price difference plus some fair admin fee?

      Even then, you'd *still* have to look at the figures - if one particular flavour of 'fairness' could be enforced, and they make less money due to no more double-buying, that isn't likely to be absorbed indefinitely via people simply making lower profits even if you, I, or anyone else might think it 'should' be in an ideal world.

      If they keep charging the prices for future films which they would have done in the existing system, it's likely that they'd manage that largely by spending less money on making the films.

      Maybe big stars could just take less money (though how likely is it that they's soak up all the 'losses'.

      If you're assuming the film producers are money-grabbing bastards (which many of them may well be), if they thought they could spend less and get a film that was just as good (or at least, just as popular), why wouldn't they be doing that already?

      Last time I looked, there wasn't a service running in bookshops where I could swap a paperback book and get a new hardback version of the same title for just printing+distribution cost, or even for the paperback/hardback price difference.

      Bastards! - why make me pay twice for the same content?

  10. David 45

    Stirrers

    Well, they WOULD say that, wouldn't they?

  11. Graham Wilson
    Flame

    We users urgently need a global organization to counterbalance the powerful copyright industry.

    This story is another case of 'here we go again'.

    The copyright industry has to get 10/10 for tenaciousness and ability to lobby successfully. So ingrained that righteousness is on its side and that it must not be challenged on any aspect of copyright law, that it's clear PC and Internet users need to take another approach when attempting copyright reform on the Internet (negotiating with zealots is wasteful of time and effort). The combined efforts of thousands in the past 24 hours shows that another way is possible.

    Where users still have some leverage is through their sheer numbers and at the ballot box. As we've just seen with the web blackouts over the US SOPA/PIPA legislation, that vast numbers of complaints seriously worry elected representatives. Whilst this effort has been both wonderful and influential, it's still far from being successful in the long term, given that we're up against one of the most formidable and experienced of opponents ever--the copyright industry.

    The copyright and patent industries have amassed huge forces since the Berne Convention of 126 years ago. Not only do they have the immense power and force of this longstanding international treaty behind them but also they've amassed a huge army of 'police' to fight for them, organizations such as the WTO (World Trade Organization) and WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organization) are at their every command. Together with newer treaties that are currently in formation such as ACTA (Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement), changing copyright laws or stopping new ones from being implemented will require a huge undertaking.

    In another post on El Reg earlier today (http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/1288964) I suggested we should capitalize on the effective Internet blackout of the past 24 hours. It's shown everyone, especially elected representatives, what a mass movement can achieve when it's united. However, one swallow doesn't make a summer, nor are smallish individual organizations such as the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) ever going to be fully effective lobbyists as the resources, power and authority of the likes of WIPO et al dwarf them. However, what we've witnessed for the very first time within the past 24 or so hours is what the collective power of ordinary users and like-minded organizations are potentially capable of achieving. And we must capitalize on this while there's still momentum.

    Clearly what's needed is an overarching international organization that's capable of tackling head on the copyright and patent industries and their henchmen, WIPO etc. The aims of such an organization would be to reform draconian copyright law and to make certain that it's fair for BOTH users and authors/creators, especially on the Web. It would also ensure that all internet users, whether they're individuals, corporations that use the Web, ISPs or Web hosts, are not continually subjected to jackboot tactics or held to ransom over issues such as piracy etc., either by governments or powerful vested interests such as the copyright industry. What this organization would NOT be about is legalizing piracy or endeavouring to do away with copyright altogether--rather one of the primary aims would be to reform copyright laws and treaties to the point where piracy would become a trivial matter.

    Some may say I'm just an idealistic daydreamer. Perhaps so, but there's one thing certain in this information and Internet age and that's whoever controls access to information also controls the power. The stakes are huge and there's much at stake: whether the Internet remains a users' commons or becomes a corporate/government garrison almost certainly depends on how determined we Internet users are and how ferociously we fight the coming war.

    Since the late 1970s, early '80s, laissez-faire economic theories--those from the Austrian School of economists (Friedrich Hayek, Ludwig von Mises etc.)--have become popular and supplanted neoclassical/Keynesian economics that sat more easily with Millenarian utilitarianism where 'the greatest good for the greatest number' was a primary axiom. Leaving aside the rights or wrongs of this economic approach, it, irrespective, has meant that it's been much easier to corporatize (lock up inside corporations) all sorts of information, and in fact this has happened on a grand scale over the past 30 or so years. Similarly, governments have been complicit: once where information was publicly and freely available it is no longer so. Now regularly one pays for once-free information, or has to force one's access to it through FOI, or it's unavailable through being 'commercial in confidence', and so on.

    The outcome has been that information has often become 'lost' to the public, or once where there would have been no issue, copyright 'fair use' provisions are now challenged by rights holders to the point where ordinary users feel intimidated to the extent where they no longer use extracts; or where governments have no compunction about extending unfair copyright law such as indefinitely locking away 'orphaned works', or extending copyright duration for such long time frames that copyright is effectively in perpetuity--or for such a long a time that it becomes worthless (the concept that much information is perishable is important).

    Copyright holders have had immense legislative success over past centuries with governments having granted these privileged elites almost everything they've ever requested. Clearly, past attempts at reforming copyright law by normal means have not worked and such attempts should be regarded as a hopeless waste of time. Rights holders perceive any attempt to change 'THEIR' copyright laws as a blaspheming heresy and they protect them with a religious zeal rarely seen elsewhere, therefore to make changes to existing laws almost guarantees the need for an entirely new approach--and we've seen it in operation over the past few days.

    The stunning grassroots reaction to the proposed draconian SOPA and PIPA legislation provides us ordinary Internet users with an almost certain way to success but it'll only be effective if all of us unite with sufficient solidarity to see the copyright war through to a successful conclusion.

    Make no mistake, the coming war will be a fight for power, the winners being those who will eventually control access to information and ideas.

    1. SleepyJohn
      Go

      We should make the Media Biz 'Beware the Ides of March'

      @ Graham Wilson - "Where users still have some leverage is through their sheer numbers"

      I think this has to be the key. It clearly is not possible to rationally discuss the need for a changing business model with what seems to be just a bunch of avaricious gangsters whose brains have been addled by noxious greed. Who needs them, for heaven's sake? Well, we don't, for a start. They need us though - without us they are nothing. We are the ones in the driving seat, and there is a very simple way of making them realise that - we can STOP BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS; as customers did to Ratner's Jewellers when the boss insulted them - and it collapsed overnight.

      Not a single law, just or unjust, was broken; just no-one bought from the shop. And no-one was sued, no solo mums imprisoned, no children bankrupted, no old ladies arrested, no business destroyed, no websites shut, no students extradited like baby-killing terrorists. Ratner could not point a figure at a single one of his destroyers, yet destroyed by them all he most surely was. Remember - WE PAY THESE PEOPLE'S WAGES. And we have the power to not do so.

      Perhaps Blackout Day, which I think has been successful in making the media mob's political lackeys wake up to how truly pissed off an awful lot of people who ultimately control their salaries are becoming, should be developed further. There is only one thing these racketeers understand and that is money. We must make their bankers wake up to the same reality as their politicians. I have no idea of the figures, real or MAFIAA-invented, but if a tiny handful of 'pirates' can 'destroy all their livelihoods' by not buying for a couple of days things they would not buy anyway, just think what effect could be had by millions of ordinary folk not buying for a couple of weeks things they normally WOULD buy.

      One day of minor but noticeable internet blackout seemed enough, in conjunction with a crescendo of complaints, to start the mob's politicians back-pedalling. I wonder what their bankers would think of 14 days with no sales of any music or movies? Perhaps the bastards would come crawling to us on their knees begging for mercy only to find the vacuum filled by independents producing good quality work and wooing their ex-customers by serving them instead of sueing.

      This would only require folk to stop buying a few things they do not need, and would be very easy to implement - just start a snowball rolling around the big snowy internet. And here is one: A soothsayer predicts the Ides of March will see me lose interest in music and movies and stop buying them for a fortnight. I wonder if anyone else will feel the same on that historically fateful day, not known for its kindness to despots. Perhaps some influential websites will bring attention to this worrying prediction by displaying a black banner depicting a Jolly Roger next to BEWARE THE IDES OF MARCH.

      Or am I alone in being so concerned about the future of OUR internet? Which belongs to all of us, not just to a self-anointed, indelibly corrupt few. We must show these gormless thugs that the internet is a modern, multi-faceted Hydra - cut off one head and it will grow a hundred more, each with the fresh power of its youth and the cunning of its parent; cauterise the stump and it will explode into a thousand, every one with a different power and raging with anger.

      @ Graham Wilson again - we already have a "global organization to counterbalance the powerful copyright industry". All we have to do is mobilise it.

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