Assange vows to drop 'insurance' files on Rupert Murdoch WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange says he has a trove of private documents on Rupert Murdoch and his News Corp empire and is prepared to release them in the event the whistle-blower website is taken down. “If something happens to me or to WikiLeaks, 'insurance' files will be released,” he told The New Statesman. “There are 504 …
I wish it wasn't true either, but it has been reported that the side effect of releasing US diplomatic cables was detection and, umm, "correcting" of people in Iraq voicing their opinion to the US.
I would also not really trust the Pentagon to be truthful, but that may be just prudence..
:-)
"and he gets his lawyers to whine that he may get sent to guantanamo or even given the death penalty, despite the fact he's done nowhere near enough to warrent that sort of punishment"
Well, Joe Biden, the second in command of the USA called him a 'terrorist'. What happens to foreign citizens that the US brands terrorists? A full jury trial within the US with full constitutional protections? Or a small cell, simulated drowning and regular beatings, rape and other 'robust' interrogate measures followed by a military court and execution if you're lucky enough to survive the torture?
And interesting aside. If the US could reduce its murder rate to the level of western European nations such as the UK (a not-unreasonable target considering the similarity of legal systems, culture, wealth, etc.), you'd save around 11,000 lives a year - roughly one 911 every 3 months. A few troops on the street in major US cities and you'd soon get things under control.
But no... the US spends billions on sending them round the other side of the world to 'save American lives'.
What a lot of nonsense.
and release the damn documents already.
The diplomatic cables are just high school gossip on a grander scale. I don't see where they've changed the world.
Something which could have a major detrimental effect on shameless, greedy, toxic, lying sack-of-shit corporations like News Corp or BofA, now THAT is something the world could use and benefit from.
Sorry, but you do mean that you were unaware of the fact that many of the Arab states view Iran as a threat because of the power vacuum created when the US took out Saddam.
That wasn't news to anyone who follows Middle East politics.
But you prove my point. Nothing being released is of 'whistle blowing' quality.
No crimes have been uncovered.
Just an egomaniac trying to keep his face in the news and try to rake in those donations in to his personal pocket. Speaking of which. Has Wikileaks sent any money for Manning's defense fund yet?
"Just an egomaniac trying to keep his face in the news and try to rake in those donations in to his personal pocket. Speaking of which. Has Wikileaks sent any money for Manning's defense fund yet?" .... Ian Michael Gumby Posted Thursday 13th January 2011 01:23 GMT
Speaking of which, Ian Michael Gumby, has the British Legion received its multi-million pound donation yet .......
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12 January 2011 4:13PM
"A Journey sold 92,060 copies in its first four days on sale, the strongest ever opening-week sale of a memoir since Nielsen BookScan records began in 1998" ..... scouserlee 12 January 2011 1:24PM
Does anyone know if the British Legion have received all, or even any of the monies promised to them by Mr Blair with regard to his journeys and flights of fancy, with at least £4million [apparently the advance given to him by the publishers] being part of the total? Or is that outstanding for some reason or other?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jan/12/tony-blair-iraq-war-inquiry-21-january
And whereas there are a few who may be calling for Julian Assange to be tried for treason, in Tony Blair's case, there are millions who want him dealt with as a war monger and criminal conspirator, and their case is rock solid, with reams of evidence to boot.
Actually some of the stuff released about Denmark is creating quite a stir.
The government was mandated by parliament to investigate the CIA flights going through Denmark, but communication between the American ambassador, shows that the investigation wasn't actually done, on what seems to be orders by the Danish foreign minister. This could cost him an impeachment. Not to mention that the current danish government is made to look like fools in most of the telegrams. So at least they will play a role in toppling the current administration.
It's good that it gets out in the light when government is breaking the law. Cause we have way to little transparency here. So honestly I don't give a f-word about this being an embarrassment.
// jesper
// Jesper
"Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy... the fear to attack. And so, because of the automated and irrevocable decision making process which rules out human meddling, the doomsday machine is terrifying. It's simple to understand. And completely credible, and convincing."
- Dr Strangelove
"Yes, but the whole point of the doomsday machine is lost if you keep it a secret! Why didn't you tell the world?"
"It was to be announced at the Party Congress on Monday. As you know, the Premier loves surprises."
- Dr Strangelove & Russian Ambassador
... is that the TSA is probably is probably expending thousands of man hours trying to find out just what awful secrets are in that Bill of Rights.
YES, Madame Secretary, we're working on it. NO, nothing yet. YES, we Googled it, page after page about the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution but nothing about a Bill of Rights. Assange must have hacked Google! He's an evil genius! YES, we'll call as soon as we have something!
Let's face border patrol IT training would simply be:
1. Start Windows laptop
2. Plug in SUB key
3. Click on USB drive letter when it appears
4. CTRL +A or "circle" all files
5. Right-click COPY
6. Click drive C:
7. Right click PASTE
8. Read copied files for evidence of anti-US sentiments!
When this doens't work, detain crimi...sorry, suspect until they tell you why Windows won't copy the files!
the child is put back in the crib.
I was pro wikileaks when this all started but it's been exposed as being very selective in what companies and people are brought into the cross hairs of the leaks.
it's a soros front group and he couldn't of picked a weaker character to head it.
assange lost me at (if im arrested the insurance file gets decrypted). Well he was arrested and the insurance file is still sealed.
They called your bluff wuss and you lost. Now go hang out in the mansions of the leftist elite while confused freedom lovers defend your smear campaign.
what surprises me is why hasn't there been an investigation into why all the supposedly top secret stuff is bunked all into one silo that is trawlable by a bored low level operative. Hope fully the US doesn't keep all the nuke passwords or whatever with the same 'bung it anywhere and google it web 2.0' methodology.
Manning had access to classified networks and classified material. Of course these networks and databases are monitored. How else do you think that they caught him so fast?
The really good juicy stuff isn't somewhere that a guy like Manning had access. You know those files on Area 51 and reports out of Wright Pat AFB? Or who really shot JFK...
Ok, I'm sorry for being a bit silly but the point is that there is a lot of Classified, Secret, and Top Secret documents that Manning didn't have access to and is in a much more secure environment.
That's why Assange is all smoke and no fire. Where's the Whistle Blowing issue in all of his releases?
None. Its no wonder his insiders are defecting to go back to their grass roots and launching their own leak site.
Just Classified?
Wrong - there were plenty of Secret documents stolen from SIPR
They caught him by monitoring the network?
Wrong - He confessed to a known hacker who narced him to the feds
Yes he didn't steal any TS/SCI stuff which is all on a separate network but lets not understate the fact that he stole 100s of thousands of documents in pretty much all the classification levels apart from the highest.
He did this using nothing more sophisticated than the CD writer of a machine on the air gapped network because some clot changed the security policy to allow the use of external media.
It's really quite simple to explain. Internet Explorer Six. Yes, the primary, if not the only, blessed data handling tool utilized by the US gubbermint. When you're forced to manage all your top super duper secret data with colander style security tools... yeah. It boggles even Paris.
Assange threatens an "insurance" plan to release more cables about News corporations...
oooh! Wow. So what whistle blowing is really happening except Assange airing 'dirty laundry'.
Anything criminal about a consulate employee's opinion? Or even shocking that one may find a Fox Broadcasting reporter boring and full of himself?
So why is Assange promising more releases? I mean if wikileaks was about whistle blowing then he would have already vetted the material and released it.
What one wonders is what sort of back room conversations are taking place?
You know... the type of conversations where Assange threatens to sue the paper for releasing information before he says its ok, or by unilaterally adding competing newspapers to deal and leaking stuff to the TV reporters a day before the papers go to press?
Yeah. Its all about being above the greed and for profit opportunities and cashing in. Its all about providing the truth and whistle blowing. (Did you get the sarcasm?)
I would have to say he's blackmailing someone and while we don't hear the actual threat, you can bet it was delivered quietly behind closed doors.
"....you cant mix ranting with sarcasm...." Really? Why not? I suppose it might be beyond the intellectual capabillity of the sheeple being herded around by Assange, but others would consider it quite trivial to mix taunting of the logically-challenged with tired annoyance at their continued obtuseness.
"...do you think saying the same thing in every post is productive?" I suspect that Gumby is merely responding to the manner in which you Assange supporters seem incapable of seeing the facts, despite them being repeatedly presented to you. So, a bit like an adult trying to explain something quite basic to a reticent child, Gumby is probably hoping that repitition will allow the obvious to batter it's way through the padding of misplaced zeal currently impinging on your mental faculties.
Now, do you have anything to actually say as to whether you think Assange's "threat" is blackmail, grandstanding for publicity, or just the paranoid squeallings of an attention-seeker? After all, when their attack on the financial institutions failed, Anonymous switched to an easier target (Grace Mugabe) in an attempt to bolster their public image, so it's hardly surprising that Assange feels the need to rally his sheeple by promising dirt on two arch capitalist targets ("them nasty bankers" and one of the richest media tycoons in the World). I'm sure that Murdoch's ownership of right-of-centre Fox has nothing to do with the appeal to the majority of his sheeple (that was the sarcasm bit, just for the really thick sheeple).
LOL...
The reason I tend to say the same things over and over is that you and the other Assange fan boys who are of the leftist liberal bent don't seen to get it.
He's pulling a con and you've taken the bait.
You're too young to know 20th Century History or to really grok its importance.
I gave you an example where a picture taken out of context was printed and it showed the horrors of war where an apparent civilian was shot... When put in to context the action becomes understandable.
(The 'civilian' was a known Viet Kong who just killed that officer's family during the '68 Tet.)
I've given you examples where someone breaks the law, yet is never charged.
I've given you examples of how something is blackmail. Or that what Assange is saying doesn't jive with reality.
The irony is that if you get the chance to live as long as I have, you might start to see things differently. Take a look at the bulk of the Hippies of the 60's. Those that are alive today are totally different people because reality has crushed their ideals.
In 20 years time, I doubt you'd remember this post but if you do, maybe then you'd understand.
BTW, the problems in India, Pakistan, Middle East, and other places are all based on British Colonialism. So while you blame the US... for all of its sins.. Look to home first.
(And while we're at it. Viet Nam? That was due to the US supporting the French.)
We can go further back in to history, but us Yanks were too busy conquering our own continent while Europe was raping the world for themselves.
>>"We can go further back in to history, but us Yanks were too busy conquering our own continent while Europe was raping the world for themselves."
I do hope you're not trying to claim some kind of moral high ground there.
It wasn't exactly 'yours' at the time, any more than the next bit of territory one or other empire had designs on was 'theirs'.
Blind as well as thick
That picture is Steve Jobs
Your ranting and blatant disregard of the facts just makes you out to be just like your namesake
http://orangecow.org/pythonet/pics/mp306-05.jpg
Please can we have a Gumby icon to represent someone of below average intelligence? (Paris doesn't count)
People seem to have been banging the freedom of speech drum for some time, but ever since Manning appears to be claimed pre-leaking contact with Assange, the US government's best option seemed like it might be charges of conspiracy before the fact in the stealing of classified information, rather than the publication of such information, and I think some recent US comments seemed to support that idea.
That way they can comfortably ignore any proper news organisations and allegations of censorship, and focus all the blame on Assange and Manning.
I'd imagine that from their point of view, the more blame can be put on Assange, the better.
The above isn't making any judgement on what's *right*, but just what seems possible or even probable.
There's not much point talking about what they can't get him for if that isn't what they're likely to try and get him for.
I'd like to learn more about what Mr Murdoch and his evil empire get up to behind the scenes. Rupert isn't just the guy who owns the News of the World; he also heads up Fox (I could've phrased that a little better, but what the hey) and the odious Fox News channel and lobbies world leaders personally and forcefully. He's an unelected powerhouse behind too many thrones, including our own government, and his less than cute Machiavellian ways should be exposed to us all.
Julian, if you never wiki another leak after this, make it one last one about Murdoch.
...and I almost cackled in malicious glee at those voting so, clearly so far in denial that they apparently forgotten what "whistleblowing" actually means, and being incapable to see that their golden idol is starting to look like it's actually made of sh*t.
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