'Doctor Dark Energy': The Ultimate LHC eccentric?

There are many interesting questions to be asked regarding the Large Hadron Collider, most powerful matter-rending machine ever assembled by the human race. Will it discover the elusive Higgs Boson? Will it open up an interdimensional portal into some mysterious continuum beyond our own? Will it, perhaps, destroy the world and/ …

[luis sancho]

THE DAMOCLES MACHINE

lt is obvious once it has been scientificaly determined thatthe risks CERN's expeiment will do a big bang with the earth are huge, as many type of quark condensates will do so and the LHC is basically a factory of quark condensates, therefore pubic policy should not allow suchpotential holocaust I believe though CERN is under European sovereignity and the order to close it should come from NATO or the European PResidency.To laugh at a matter of national security has been also the procedure followed by authorities that didnt taken into account the warnings on 11/9, of dedicated professionals. Mr. Walter Wagner is an experimentalist retired safety officer with no jail condemn. Instead of bashful personal attracks of dubious sources you should \denounce thecucckoo scientists that working at CERN have built the first machine able to extinguish life on earth.

[Michael Noonan]

So you think you are safe

Naturally the mathematics the scientists adds up. So you think you are safe. Well you're not. In mathematics the solution to a problem is to add an unknown variable often called 'x'. The scientists can balance their equations but nothing guarantees the assumptions they make are accurate.

Remember this reality has physical and holographic qualities and needs a multi-universe for gravity to leak into. Logically if physics was properly known then all the parts would unknowns like dark energy to explain thermal law breaking expansion. Galaxies would need invisible matter to stop them flying apart. Atoms wouldn't need an undetectable Higgs field to explain energy equivalence.

As I said if one uses enough unknown variable the mathematically any old piece of rubbish will add up. There is no safety in mathematics. Why do you think scientists are so unwilling to have their precious theories questioned? Because in the cold cruel light of logic they are a load of shit.

[Rafael 1]

It's worse than that!

Sometimes I see equations with an 'y', and in an ancient Russian book of Physics there was an equation with a 'z'. We're doomed! DOOMED I SAY!

[rpenner]

I've spent years talking to Wagner

As moderator of a science discussion board and long-time participant, I have spent years talking to Wagner and some time talking to Gorelik. There are differences.

Wagner wants the respect of being an authority, without the accomplishment.

Wagner may have a B.S. in Biology, but that wouldn't make him a botanist -- publishing research articles would. Someone who doesn't publish and still messes around with plants is a gardener.

Wagner may have gotten a certificate of a J.D. from an unaccredited law school, but he told the Federal judge in Hawaii who was scolding him for acting as Sancho's lawyer that he had never been admitted to the bar. So he is no lawyer and so far down the scale of people that have post-graduate training that actual lawyers see no reason to call him "Doctor."

Wagner gets huffy and defensive when his CV is compared to his claimed titles -- because he feels his arguments need that high ground of authority or they would seem empty and weak (c.f. Wagner's appearance on _The Daily Show_ ).

Gorelik, like the protagonist of _Soon I will be invincible_, simply assumes the authority and titles that he feels should be his. To Gorelik, the greatness of himself and his arguments is self-evident and you would be a fool to question any one of his claims. Since Gorelik finds himself surrounded by what he believes to be blind fools, he takes this as confirmation that he is moing in the right direction and writes even _more purple_ prose. So it's only natural, in Gorelik's self-styled role as apex predator, that bin Laden will fall under the sway of his natural greatness.

Wagner would never hang out with bin Laden the terrorist and potential supplier of nuclear arms. Bin Laden the owner of a diploma mill might be a different story.

[Michael Noonan]

Freedom of choice

So and I am only a cleaner with a self taught understanding of physics. That does not mean I do not know the shape of an equation or variations in the explanation of dimensions. Dear moderator how come in this real world the electricity we take for granted is based on the mathematics of imaginary numbers. Doesn't sound like a problem in dimension does it but it is.

Go back to the March 2008 article in The Scientific American "The End of Cosmology". It states in time the evidence of the Big Bang will disappear. The 'known' age of the universe is 13.7 billion years, is it really. How can you be certain that there isn't something well beyond your vision and lost to human instrumentation already.

What if the Large Hadron Collider is a bomb which will start with cryogenic helium in an uncontrolled nuclear detonation. Then Lake Geneva will vaporize releasing the hydrogen from the water and adding millions of tonnes of even more nuclear combustible fuel to the explosion. Is it a coincidence that in the quadrant of the planet in range of the particle experiment is the vast bulk of the world's population.

What if Ivan is right and the Large Hadron Collider is a magnetic hole generator. Electricity and magnetism are forces that only came together fractions of a second after the Big Bang. The collider will have a continuous beam of concentrated energy unlike anything known in nature. So it might take a thousand seconds, about the time it takes to fall to the center of the earth or a thousand days which puts it into an interesting time frame.

What if the scientists are right and we all simply suffocate in forty or fifty years because we cut down all the trees and poisoned the oceans, weakened the coral and killed the oxygen renewal cycle. The doomsayers are going to be right ... now prove me wrong.

[Will Shaw]

A spiritied attempt....

....but no Golden Tinfoil Hat for you today.

It's like Les Dawson playing the piano badly. You have to either really, really talented or a genuine whacko. You can't fake this.

[Michael Noonan]

Bursting the beam pipe (already happened)

Perhaps I should point out the explosion scenario was suggested by Wagner before the rupture of the cryogenic helium piping in 2008. That was before the site was targeted for shoe advertisements and pornography. Somehow the explosion scenario is already prophetic because last year when scientists lost control of the beam the first thing the beam did was to rupture the pipe and burn through the cryogenic helium containment.

From stellar observations a helium nuclear explosion is way hotter than hydrogen. The evidence is in the stars because one day our star the sun will go nova meaning it will swell and probably swallow the earth in the firestorm.

Wagner and Sancho did more than just consider monopoles, micro black holes and neutron mass forming strangelets. By reading the scenarios they offered for consideration at least one has potential given more energetic accidental starting conditions.

In a way that might be the best of all the disaster potentials as opposed to the suffocation of the next generation. It beats the heck out of being ripped, popped or stuffed into some strange new dimension.

[Herbys]

Seriously...

Dismissing the possibility of a catastrophe is plain unscientific.

There's very serious science backing the possibility that some of the doomsday scenarios might happen (the micro black-hole in particular). They have all been discarded because they have requirements (such as many-dimensions) that are invalid under the current standard model.

But we don't know that the standard model is right. In fact, we know it is not, otherwise it would explain phenomena that we can't explain now. Actually, the whole LHC is dedicated to validating, refining or correcting the standard model. And under some of the possible models, those assumptions that would make the doomsday scenarios possible would actually occur.

So the LHC supporters are discarding the risks of the LHC because under the model they are trying to confirm, it is harmless. That sort of circular thinking is not worrying for most situations, but when you are talking about the end of humanity, it is terrifying.

The fact is that those pushing forward the LHC are those that stand to benefit most from it (scientists whose fields are stuck due to the lack of experimental validation) so they might accept a risk of one in fifty million (some of the supporter's numbers) of the planet collapsing, but if you apply those risks to the whole of humanity, they are unacceptable.

[Herbys]

Oh, and the worst part...

The worst part is that since the probability of something terrible happening is low, most likely they will succeed and be able to claim that whoever complained was a nutjob.

Just like a person playing russian roulette would call paranoid to everyone that said it was a bad idea to pull the trigger, and claim that since he's still alive, pulling the trigger was just fine.

[Anonymous Coward]

Surely ...

... AmanFromMars can bring order to this chaos?

[Anonymous Coward]

As Dr. Farnsworth would say..

"yes, it's the Apocalypse all right. I just knew I'd have a hand in it somehow"

[stopcern]

BIG BANG THEORY IS DOGMA

BIG BANG THEORY IS DOGMA (SUPPORTED BY CERN)

Dogma: a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds. Big Bang theory of cosmic creation is a quasi-religious dogma.

Many standard modern textbooks present it as a fact, though it is really only an assumption! CERN physicists BELIEVE in modern Big Bang Dogma. That is why, logically speaking, CERN physicists with such an irrational dogmatic mindset that work at the Large Hadron Collider and absolutely support these very dangerous high energy experiments are not real scientists at all. They are only blind-followers of modern dogmatic books, they are similar to quasi-religious fanatics, worshipping a new dark deity, that is called Big Bang. Strictly speaking, dogma remains a dogma even if today it looks more plausible, than some ancient dogmas. The fundamental assumption of Big Bang is based on the collective observations and subjective experiences, that may be considered as an egregorial illusion or mistake of collective unconscious, (collective unconscious, is a term of analytical psychology, coined by Carl Jung - a Swiss psychiatrist, University of Basel).

[stopcern]

STOP CERN AT ALL COSTS

Physicists use the Large Hadron Collider to recreate the conditions just after the Big Bang, by colliding the two beams head-on at very high energy. So, they justify unpredictable high-energy experiments, and consequently endanger people living in Western Europe, only because they believe in Big Bang Dogma.

IF YOU LIVE IN WESTERN EUROPE, IF YOU WANT TO SAVE THE EUROPEAN CONTINENT, IF YOU WANT TO SURVIVE, AND TO AVOID POSSIBLE BIG CATASTROPHE, UNPREDICTABLE DANGEROUS CONSEQUENCES FOR PEOPLE, AS A RESULT OF HIGH ENERGY EXPERIMENT AT THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER IN WESTERN EUROPE, SIMULATING BIG BANG ON EARTH -- BY INCREASING COLLISION ENERGY TO 14 TRILLION ELECTRONVOLTS IN THE BEGINNING OF YEAR 2010. THEN STOP CERN AT ALL COSTS!!!

Big Bang Dogma is not the only framework available for understanding the history of the universe. Plasma cosmology and the steady-state model - both hypothesize an evolving universe - These and other alternative approaches - can also explain the basic phenomena of the cosmos - They have even predicted new phenomena - that were subsequently observed - something the Big Bang Dogma has failed to do.

- read works of Eric J. Lerner, Lawrenceville Plasma Physics (USA) at www.bigbangneverhappened.org , about Plasma Cosmology,

- read articles of Halton Arp, Max-Planck-Institute Fur Astrophysik (Germany), at www.haltonarp.com/articles , he claims, the assumption that high red shift objects have to be very far away - on which the Big Bang theory and all of "accepted cosmology" is based - has to be fundamentally reexamined.

- read articles of Paul Marmet, Herzberg Institute of Astrophysics (Canada), at www.newtonphysics.on.ca , about astronomical evidence that points to inconsistencies in the Big Bang theory.

- read articles of Domingos S.L. Soares, Federal University of Minas Gerais (Brazil), at www.fisica.ufmg.br/~dsoares/letbang.htm, rational arguments against Big Bang Dark Cosmology.

[stopcern]

Lack of funding for alternative theories!

Fanatic supporters of the Big Bang Dogma from CERN may retort that alternative theories do not explain every cosmological observation. But that is scarcely surprising as their development has been severely hampered by a complete lack of funding. Indeed, such questions and alternatives cannot even now be freely discussed and examined. An open exchange of ideas is lacking in most mainstream conferences. In cosmology today doubt and dissent are not tolerated and many scientists learn to remain silent if they have something negative to say about the Big Bang Dogma. Those who doubt the Big Bang Dogma - fear that saying so will cost them their funding.

Even observations are now interpreted through this biased filter, judged right or wrong depending on whether or not they support the Big Bang Dogma. So discordant data on red shifts, lithium and helium abundances, and galaxy distribution, among other topics, are ignored or ridiculed. This reflects a growing dogmatic mindset that is alien to the spirit of free scientific inquiry.

Today, virtually all financial and experimental resources in cosmology are devoted to Big Bang studies. All the peer-review committees that control funding are dominated by supporters of the Big Bang Dogma. As a result, the dominance of the Big Bang Dogma within the field has become self-sustaining, irrespective of the scientific validity of the theory. Giving support only to projects within the Big Bang framework undermines a fundamental element of the scientific method -- the constant testing of theory against observation. Such a restriction makes unbiased discussion and research impossible.

We urge those agencies that fund work in cosmology to set aside a significant fraction of their funding for investigations into alternative theories and observational contradictions of the Big Bang theory.

Allocating funding to investigations into alternative theories, would allow the scientific process to determine our most accurate model of the history of the universe.

If you are scientist, and if you want to sign this statement, please visit the site www.cosmologystatement.org

[Rattus Rattus]

Ok, Herbys and Michael Noonan:

Repeat after me -

Collisions of much greater energy happen in the atmosphere every day.

Collisions of much greater energy happen in the atmosphere every day.

Collisions of much greater energy happen in the atmosphere every day.

Collisions of much greater energy happen in the atmosphere every day.

Got it yet? And the earth's still here, yes? So please, put down the tinfoil and stop being alarmist.

[JP Strauss]

Open up a dimensional rift?

I just hope that whoever survives the resonance cascade will at least have a crowbar and an HEV-mach 1 suit handy, otherwise the inhabitants of Xen will enslave us all.

[David Sidebotham]

Will it, perhaps, destroy the world...

I should bloody hope so. It cost enough.

[amanfromMars 1]

The Name of the Game is always to CHurn Currency and Light Fantastic Particles for Heavyweight Power

CERN is an interesting gravy train imagining what can be done with parallel pooled thoughts. I wonder what else will be invented to fund or what other teething problem malfunction will prolong and postpone the decision making.

I imagine Copenhagen is full of such self serving waffle for the next fortnight too, albeit with different purse to fill to keep the lab rats busy.

[Secretgeek]

"...agricultural mechanization specialist..."

He fixes tractors doesn't he?

I am right here, aren't I?

He's definitely a tractor tweaking nut bar.

And a lot of the comments above appear to be from a similar level of scientific understanding.

[Christopher Blackmore]

Nothing to do with me...

I just want to point out that this Doctor Dark energy is nothing to do with my website at www.doctor-dark.co.uk so I get a gratuitous link plug...

[Tony Paulazzo]

We're domed!

>What is better: to nuke the LHC and CERNs headquarters, or to let the CERN to explode the Earth<

I'm going with explode the Earth - it'll look cool and piss off those illuminati types (you can't enslave a planetary population if the planet's not there).

>There is some chance... that it will open up a dimensional portal... a disappointingly tiny and short-lived one.<

Yes, but what if the universe it opens onto is one running a different time frame than us? it could conceivably be tearing their universe apart for years, and they'd have to enlarge it and send across shock troops to close it from our side, whilst ensuring we never do it again via genocide.

[Dr Patrick J R Harkin]

It'll open a portal, I tell you, a portal!

But to where? Well, Google have announced their public DNS at 8.8.8.8 and the LHC is on the interweb, so they're connected - it's Dungeon Dimensions time, I tell you!

[Dr Patrick J R Harkin]

So the earth's crust will be thrown into outer space?

Just where is it now?

[Vladimir Plouzhnikov]

Is this a new fashion?

That all nutcases seem to have to post twice in a row? Does that make their arguments better? Maybe I should try that one day...

[Bod]

Quick...

"If the magnetic collapse starts, it will be impossible to stop it. It will end with ejection of the Earth’s shell into outer space."

... get on the phone to Hollywood. There's a film in that.

[Yorkshirepudding]

the sound of drums

just keep an eye out for a blue telephone box nearby stockholm geneva or were all up the shitter

im sorry im so sorry......

BANG

mines the one with the laser screwdriver

[Anonymous Coward]

how many ?

alternate accounts does the nutjobs above have ?

[Michael Noonan]

Gravity is not a particle

Hello Rattus Rattus,

Gravity has variation hence the Pioneer effect. Without hypothetical dark matter the rotation of the galaxy is also a gravitation anomaly. Satellites need relativity based corrections to account for time distortion due to being in a lesser gravitation than the clocks on earth and that is a variation in gravitation. Mordehai Milgrom a highly respected physicist founded MOND or Modified Newtonian Dynamics Theory to explain galaxy rotation a reference "http://www.world-science.net/othernews/070802_darkmatter.htm"

Professor Milgrom's proposal is that gravity is variable. If gravity is variable then it can't be a particle because a particle has exact defined properties and can not possibly be a variable. The Higgs boson is supposed to be the particle that explains undetected quantum gravity at the expense of the destruction of General Relativity.

I have written on forums of a unifying solution to physics which excludes gravity from the three QED quantum dynamic forces those being electromagnetic, weak force and the strong nuclear force. The three QED forces all have properties somewhat like electricity, gravity does not.

I wont bore you with what my proposal to the unified solution is sufficient to say that it is not accepted in any scientific journal not because it is wrong or possibly even right. None of what I say matters because as an avowed non scientist none of what I write matters.

And it wont matter all that greatly after the great destruction either.

[Michael Noonan]

Particle collisions

Single particle collisions up to 110 million times more powerful than CERN particles do occur naturally and can hit anywhere, typically in the atmosphere. What HAS changed is here on earth. Twin beams with energy intensity 100,000 times hotter than the core of the sun are being pushed around the 27km ring at CERN. So to answer the question from:-

Rattus Rattus

Ok, Herbys and Michael Noonan:

Posted Monday 7th December 2009 10:04 GMT

Repeat after me -

Collisions of much greater energy happen in the atmosphere every day.

-: and so on what you say is true.

The earth gets hit by cosmic rays every day and that is why dark matter detection experiments are placed so far underground to try and filter most of them out.

Mathematically a single particle collision by itself is not a danger. What is the new is the high energy intensity in the beam they will be made in. Second we are now at a new risk posed by nature. The hottest and most energy intense target for high energy cosmic rays is now right here on earth at CERN.

[Kevin Smith]

LHC has created a portal already!

.. or at least, I seem to have woken up today in a parallel universe where dangerously under-educated cleaners and tractor mechanics are more knowledgeable regarding physics than actual physicists.

Or perhaps they are just idiots with delusions of grandeur who don't realise when to stop spouting drivel?

Nah, you're right, it's definitely evil LHC shenanigans.

[Robinson]

What's going on here?

I'm reading some of the comments with incredulity; are they all taking the *iss?

[Emilio Desalvo]

Wagner is a real pro

He even had a bill tailor made for him...

http://www.corbisimages.com/Enlargement/Enlargement.aspx?id=RR031331&ext=1

[rpenner]

Wagner's only courtroom victory?

He did beat the charges of violating a court order in California. When he filed a (rejected) suit to claim damages for false prosecution, the court criticized the original prosecutor for undercharging. Specifically, the judge thought prosecution should have brought anti-stalking charges like the earlier bill you have pictured.

[Alex 32]

Good Afternoon Reading

Absolutely fascinating to read all about the LHC and these comments.

Someone owes me a new keyboard tho.. but I'm sure some of these accounts are duplicate..

Hmm.. who to send the bill to...

[ShaggyDoggy]

Ah but ...

"There is some chance... that it will open up a dimensional portal... a disappointingly tiny and short-lived one"

But what if the forces on the other side grab hold of it and hold it open, then enlarge it so that vast armies of lizard (contd page 94)