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The government of the United Kingdom on Monday announced the formation of a Laboratory for AI Security Research (LASR) to make the nation more resilient to AI-powered cyber threats from Russia. "Be in no doubt: the United Kingdom and others in this room are watching Russia," said the Right Honourable Pat McFadden MP, …

  1. SomeRandom1

    Access filtering

    Sorry for the naive question; if they know that all the bad stuff and nothing good comes from Russia, then why don't we deny them access from their allocated country IP ranges?

    1. Andy Mac

      Re: Access filtering

      Botnets

    2. steviebuk Silver badge

      Re: Access filtering

      We do, well our company does but they just come in via other countries.

      1. Lars Silver badge

        Re: Access filtering

        They can come in using compromised routers in Britain too. The internet is indeed very open.

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Re: Access filtering

          They can come in using compromised routers in Britain too. The internet is indeed very open.

          Yep. The Internet is designed to route around problems. There are a few challenges to implementation. So theoretically, Russia is in RIPE-land, so could trawl that for any routes assigned to ru. But there's also a lot of IP space assigned from ARIN & APNIC, and probably AFRINIC as well. Then, assuming you could collate a reasonably comprehensive and reliable set of routes.. How then to act on these? So the EU could mandate a route server containing a naughty list, and every ISP in EUroland must buld their route filters based on this feed. Which then assumes ISPs would, and there's a lot of ISPs that don't use (or trust) 3rd party route servers to create BGP filters for peering & transit. And then there's the problem with trying to go global.

          It's something that's kinda been tried before as an anti-spamming solution but didn't really work because spammers just routed around the problem. There's also the political risk, ie goverment likes their new toy/legislation so much they add other IP ranges to the naughty list. Which also would increase router overheads, ie processing a /32 if the objective is to block a single IP address. And then if you're trying to block a website, that needs blocking based on URI, so a DNS-based naughty list. Which again exists, ie the UK's 'Cleanfeed' system that mostly works to reduce CP, assuming ISPs implement & trust it.

          And then there's more politics. So if the objective of this escapade is regime change and overthrowing The Putin.. Then cutting Russia off from the Internet also cuts Russians off from seeing pysops/propaganda sites like Radio Free Europe, Bbc, CNN etc etc. Plus making it harder to communicate with anyone inside Russia lobbying or campaigning for regime change. Criminals, whether state sponsored or otherwise will just find ways to launch attacks from compromised or 'official' hosts outside Russia.

        2. Lars Silver badge

          Re: Access filtering

          I have to add that you don't want your router to be remotely accessible. And that you can check like this.

          You need your IP Address and you get it by running a speed test like say ookla.

          Then substitute the xxx.yyy.zzz.vvv with your IP in.

          https://search.censys.io/hosts/xxx.yyy.zzz.vvv/

          and

          https://www.shodan.io/host/xxx.yyy.zzz.vvv/

    3. collinsl Silver badge

      Re: Access filtering

      1. They can get in via other routes as others here have said - either using VPNs, BotNets they control, or hosted/rented services in 3rd party nations who haven't blocked them

      2. Administering the block list would be so slow as to be untenable given how fast governments do anything - it would likely take 3 weeks to get an address added/removed

      3. IP addresses can be incorrectly placed geographically since they're not necessarily tied. About the best way of accurately assessing them geographically is by which registry controls them (IANA, RIPE, AFRINIC, APNIC or LACNIC) - otherwise you're just rely on someone telling you that the IPs are allocated to an organisation in that country.

      4. You will cut off communications with your own resources inside those countries - embassies, consulates, your agents or informants, third parties etc.

      5. On a political level, you want to keep engaging with adversary nations, to warn them of what you're doing in response to their activities when it suits your purposes to do so, to continue to try and hold constructive dialogue with them, to try and convince their citizens to be dissatisfied with how they're being governed through access to your media etc etc.

      6. Organisations may employ IP address ranges they own outside of the country that they're in if they're a multinational or have services which they are responsible for the addressing of in another nation - For example if you have a company in Lichtenstein but have a DR site in Italy, then the site in Italy will have "Lichtenstein" IP addresses because they're registered to your organisation.

  2. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

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  3. Tilda Rice

    Pure comedy from the MP

    >"Putin is a man who wants destruction, not peace. He is trying to deter our support for Ukraine with his threats. He will not be successful," McFadden pledged.

    Fairly certain Putin / Russia was open to the idea of negotiation.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/22/boris-johnson-ukraine-2022-peace-talks-russia

    Boris got the call from the milt tech ind complex and the US neocons - more bombs it is.

    Both sides as bad as each other, but US interference in foreign elections and the US reneging on agreements made are as to blame. (1990 NATO no expansion with Gorbachev , Minsk sham agreements etc)

    https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/22/ffci-d22.html

    This juvenile rhetoric from MPs like this one are so tedious to listen to. Just like the Putin is gonna die soon, Putin has a body double (bla bla) propaganda in UK newspapers at the early onset of the war.

    You just had to read / view media from non western sources to see Putin perfectly alive and well and walking round weapons factory and giving talks.

    Does anyone take legacy media seriously anymore? Absolute clowns.

    Hopefully January ushers in the peace process.

    1. ICL1900-G3 Silver badge

      Non-western sources

      Russia Today, perchance?

      1. Tilda Rice

        Re: Non-western sources

        Guardian actually. Reading a bit too much for you I suppose.

        Look, use your own noddle instead of listening to the tripe spewed out by people in the west with an agenda.

        For instance, here is the BBC

        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61361827

        Rejecting the notion of Nazis in Ukraine.

        But here is the same BBC, telling you in 2014 and here is the title of the video:

        "Neo-Nazi threat in new Ukraine: NEWSNIGHT"

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY

        The Azov insignia is literally an Nazi SS symbol

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich

        1. IGotOut Silver badge

          Re: Non-western sources

          @tilda

          So if the plan was denazification, why didn't he start by blowing up Russian cities?

          And let's not forget he invaded Ukraine well before this latest war.

          https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/if-russia-serious-about-de-nazification-it-should-start-home

        2. ICL1900-G3 Silver badge

          Re: Non-western sources

          It is usually the case that people who start their argument with an insult don't have much of an argument. Incidentally, I believe the Guardian is not really considered a 'non-western' source, but I am happy to be proved wrong

    2. steviebuk Silver badge

      No one takes blatent and clear propogranda seriously anymore either.

      "The peace process" yes, that can happen with Putin fucking off out of a country that's not his.

      1. Tilda Rice

        The people in that region wanted independence, and relief from persecution by Ukraine ultra nationalists.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

        None of us really know whether the US interference in the 2014 coup or Russian involvement in Donbas was the kick-starter to this whole saga.

        But distilling it down to "bad man" vs "west good" without appreciating that the US make all the decisions, and most based on $ is simplistic in the extreme.

        After all we followed the US into Iraq, an independent sovereign state and killed over 100,000 civilians.

        1. Casca Silver badge

          And more kreml lies.

        2. Lars Silver badge
          Happy

          @Tilda Rice

          "After all we followed the US into Iraq, an independent sovereign state and killed over 100,000 civilians.".

          So to be fair and show good sportsmanship we now have to accept that Putin does at least the same in Ukraine.

          On the plus side of course is that we could then with good conscience invade for instance Greenland.

    3. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Pure comedy from the MP

      More a tragi-comedy.

      "Be in no doubt: the United Kingdom and others in this room are watching Russia,"

      I'm pretty sure a lot of people in Russia watching us, and laughing. £8.2m on cybersecurity!

      This is around 0.03% of the money Ed Millibrain's going to spend to dump CO2 into a hole in the ground. It's probably more than Labour will have to spend on benefits for the car workers who'll lose their jobs in Luton due to EV policies. It's a lot more than Reeves is going to lose by adding VAT to public school bills, having to find places for students in state schools, and will lose in taxes from non-doms fleeing the country.

      But £8.2m! That's around 100BTC, or maybe less! I rather suspect government could save a whole lot more by just banning the use of MS and Android in the public sector, and do more to secure UK Plc.

      1. Tilda Rice

        Exactly Jellied. The notion that Russia is this singular dark force in the world is Tik-Tok BBC level of dipshittery.

        Russia doing what lots of other nation states are doing.

        The Americans at a way vaster scale than anyone else, because the American intelligence service budgets are in the billions.

        What do people think the US do with all that money, buying staplers?

        Here is the US causing physical damage to Iranian infrastructure.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

        Who do people think cut the Nordstream 2 pipeline, causing us in the UK to have higher food and utiltiy bills?

        We in the UK are paying for this war that can't be won, instead of pressing our leaders for peace. But our leaders frankly aren't in control - US neocons and their corpo investment partners used as the lever are.

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Exactly Jellied. The notion that Russia is this singular dark force in the world is Tik-Tok BBC level of dipshittery.

          Russia doing what lots of other nation states are doing.

          It's also a bit of cognitive dissonance. So the press release that the UK is going to invest £8.2m in cybersecurity to counter the threat our 'leaders' seem hell-bent on escalating. NATO is urging businesses to move towards a war footing. This is going to be expensive. Alternatively there's the 'peace dividend' where if we de-escalate and push for serious peace talks, the threat reduces and we don't necessarily need to spend as much.

          But the problem of cybercrime isn't going to go away any time soon, so it could still be a good investment.. Only £8.2m doesn't go very when it comes to security research or training. Which is also one of those deck chair re-arranging things. The UK government span CESG off from GCHQ with the idea that it could be a centre of excellence wrt infosec. But then also had the idea that CESG would be revenue generating and flog services. This new venture seems to duplicate work CESG is already doing, so why not add £8.2m to their budget instead. Then they can split their Classified and non-Classified work, provide 'best practices' and threat intel to all of UK Plc and call it good.

    4. Casca Silver badge

      1990 NATO no expansion with Gorbachev , Minsk sham agreements etc)

      And that is still not in any documents that is relavant.

      And peace talks with putin is to give him what he wants for now and then he come back later for more.

      Move to russia and discover how alike it is to west...

      1. Tilda Rice

        Casa, some reading:

        https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-are-minsk-agreements-ukraine-conflict-2022-02-21/

        Merkel here admitting they were a sham on the side of the west to buy time:

        "Former German Chancellor Merkel admits the Minsk agreement was merely to buy time for Ukraine’s arms build-up"

        https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/22/ffci-d22.html

        The west never intended to negotiate. Weapons = $$$ for some US elites and politicians lining their pockets.

        And for the Americans the cold war never ended:

        See here for US mentality toward Russia.

        https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057012/

        1. Casca Silver badge

          Russia invaded you plank.

          And russia had soldiers in eastern Ukraine since 2014. But you keep thinking that putin is the good guy...

          Russia has been trying to weaken EU constantly since 1990.

          And wow just wow at using DR strangelove as reference. There went all your possible relevance.

          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            And russia had soldiers in eastern Ukraine since 2014. But you keep thinking that putin is the good guy...

            Russia had soldiers in Crimea since before 1991 as part of its basing agreements. After the coup, the new regime wanted to end those agreements because NATO wanted those Crimean bases.

            Russia has been trying to weaken EU constantly since 1990.

            citation needed Russia had been happily trading with the EU from 1990 to 2014. This had benefited both EU nations and Russia, to the point where the EU economy exceeded the US. Then along came Ass Sec Nuland and her call with Pyatt, the US Ambassador to Ukraine where they hand-picked who would rule Ukraine, and the infamous 'fsck the EU' comment. And lo, it came to pass. Mysterious rooftop snipers firing into the crowd, coup, regime change.. Just as it was in Libya, Syria etc. So then as in Libya and Syria, a civil war started, the new regime started shelling & bombing civilians and the rest became history.

            It wasn't Russia trying to weaken the EU.

            And then of course the EU imposed the 'shock and awe' sanctions, aimed to eliminate trade between EU & Russia. To help that along, and increase US oil & gas exports, someone mysteriously blew up Nord Stream in the biggest act of sabotage in European history. European oil & gas prices rocketed, increasing the price of US oil & gas.. But of course those sanctions also increased the price Russia could charge for their own products, boosting Russia's economy. Europe is deindustrialising due to high energy costs, Russia's economy is growing, de-dollarisation is increasing which will increase US inflation.

            And wow just wow at using DR strangelove as reference.

            Seems reasonable. President Merkin Muffley has been happily escalating the conflict with Russia, skipping merrily across red lines, pouring weapons and cash into Ukraine with no accountability. And the US is still in conspiracy mode wrt fluorinating their own drinking water. And we've even seen the first ever use of a MIRV. Our Doomsday Clock is only seconds away from midnight, and our 'leaders' seem hell bent on making the clock strike.

            Alternatively, our 'leaders' could try for peace, turn the clock back, reset trade and go back to business.. But they won't. They're still happily fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian. And on of the sickest things at the moment is pressuring Ukraine to lower their conscription age to 18 so our 'leaders' can kill even more Ukrainians.

          2. Tilda Rice

            Who denied Russia invaded?

            Nobody is saying Putin is a good guy. This is geopolitics, US vs the rest of the world.

            Do explain how Russia has "weakened the EU" - that statement is empty.

            Yes, the US has neocons who still have a cold war mentality toward Russia. Hence the Strangelove reference.

            Look at Hollywood and how the villain is Russian so often.

            Sad to say, you are lost to the western media brainwashing.

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