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The United States' Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has labelled Kaspersky, China Mobile, and China Telecom as threats to national security. The three companies join Huawei, ZTE, Chinese radio-comms vendor Hytera, and Chinese video surveillance systems vendors Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology Company and Dahua …

  1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Dummies’R’Us ....... Sign Up Here, Please

    And then Uncle Sam and NATO allies wonder why they may have so many alarming enemies ..... whenever they choose to create them via their exclusive actions.

    Whenever one has to oppose and try to disadvantage more able competition, is it an intelligence deficit within one’s own systems that one has to address rather than assaulting others via arbitrary politically motivated denial of markets which rely on such options to share and enrich investors.

    The bottom line in that message is surely such a market is self-destructive and not fit for future greater purpose as competition in opposition increases militant costs.

    What appears to have been forgotten ..... yet again Is .........

    Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

    In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

    Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been over shadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

    The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.

    Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

    It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system-ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society. .......President Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address (1961)

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Dummies’R’Us ....... Sign Up Here, Please

      Sorry, but this are just responses to other countries actions.

      China has been deciding for years what companies can work there and how - and if you wish to work there you have to abide do very anti-competitive rules - plus it never fully complied with WTO rules.

      Russia is reaping the results of its rulers madness.

      Your Eisenhower citation is fully out of contest - Eisenhower defeated Hitler and was not appeasing Stalin. He could see some risks inside US too - after all US got a Trump too - but that never meant to lower the guard against dictatorships.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re: Dummies’R’Us ....... Sign Up Here, Please

        I suppose, LDS, you wouldn’t recognise the US as a collection/federation of disparate state dictatorships servering and serving the printed fiat dollar machine .......and which now has its sights on command and control with an electronic currency mechanism even easier to program for the deliverance of wishes? ......

        One thing you can be sure of though, is if it is thought possible, will the temptation prove too great to not be attempted with virtual assets floated onto market places and digital spaces.

        And that opens up a whole new vast can of worms and trojans/devils and daemons to try vanquish and pacify if one is running it as a rigged crooked casino.

        However, time will tell the true enough tale soon enough, methinks ..... Que Sera, Sera.

      2. bombastic bob Silver badge

        Re: Dummies’R’Us ....... Sign Up Here, Please

        Did YOU just compare Trump to Putin?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Gotta love when China complains that other countries are abusing their state power....

    1. Roland6 Silver badge

      Totally agree, but the trouble is: "China's embassy in the USA has described the listing as an abuse of state power made without evidence, and further evidence of unreasonable and anti-competitive behavior." - is totally on the money.

  3. Stuart Castle Silver badge


    For years now, I've been using Avast Free, but with the fact they are likely to be merging with Norton (or whatever they call themselves now) soon, I've been looking elsewhere. I got Norton Antivirus on a three month trial with a laptop years ago. I vowed never to use it voluntarily then, and see no reason to break that vow now.

    From what I have read, Kaspersky seemed to be quite well liked by the security community, so was looking at replacing Avast with that. Now, this change probably is politically motivated, but it may not be, and I am not sure I want to take the chance it wasn't.

    Not sure who to go for now. And no, switching to Linux isn't an option before you ask.

    1. Binraider Silver badge

      Kaspersky used to be quite good. However, I dropped that recommendation when senior staffers were caught in a cover up of some utterly indefensible behaviour (think worst uses of the internet and you are pretty much there). Money talks inside Vlads Russia, hence cover up and only token police investigation.

      The links to the FSB are well known and As such using it now, especially in any professional context is a terrible idea.

      Last time I resorted to AV I went with bit defender, though per your last comment, don’t rule out a platform move. I keep server 2019 around as a desktop for a handful of programs I couldn’t run in an emulator. Everything else is Mac/Linux now

    2. TiredNConfused80


      Have you looked at ESET? We've been running it for years and it seems to be doint the job (touches wood).

      1. Roland6 Silver badge

        Re: ESET?

        Here is a list of AV vendors giving their country of origin - useful if you wish to avoid US vendors(*)

        Although I note the list omits: Padvish a security suited developed in Iran...

    3. JHC_97

      Kaspersky has been persona non gratis for years.

      1. Roland6 Silver badge

        Given the length of time, I'm a little surprised that Kaspersky haven't done more to relocate outside of Russia.

    4. fidodogbreath

      Avast Free also has a history of problematic behavior, albeit not at the nation-state espionage level.

    5. BPontius

      Been using Kaspersky since the 2013 and have had zero problems. British Intelligence, Germany, Belgium and the European Union investigated after the U.S banned it and could find no evidence of spying through Kaspersky software. I have yet to find any convincing evidence of spying to dump Kaspersky, it's unfounded political cold war paranoia (personal opinion).

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward


    So if Hikvision is on the USA's "dirty" list, why the Amazon Ring isn't banned by the rest of the world?

    Same goes for Cisco whose gear shipments have been intercepted and backdoored by NSA in the past.

  5. Marty McFly Silver badge

    Key word...

    From Kaspersky's press release: "...lacked any public evidence of wrongdoing..."

    So there is evidence of wrongdoing. Kaspersky has just managed to keep it private & hidden. They won't also be blamed for lying if something is announced at a later date.

    Always beware of qualifying keywords!

    1. martinusher Silver badge

      Re: Key word...

      We're pretty good at innuendo. Here's an article our current newspaper that's ostensibly about beef jerky:-

      In writing it the author appears to have broken Rule #1 of journalism. (I suspect its one of those Niemoller things.)

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Key word...

      If evidence isn't public, then it isn't really evidence because nobody can verify the claims. US government has lied how many times so far?

      They claimed Iraq had WMD and the whole proof they offered was "trust us, we are the good guys, and they are the bad guys".

      They literally invaded, temporarily annexed, pillaged, and destroyed a sovereign country which they don't even share a border with, but it wasn't in Europe so that obviously gives them a free pass or something.

  6. Blackjack Silver badge

    Hilariously the most trusty Antivirus is Windows Defender for Windows or whatever Microsoft is calling it nowadays.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "illegal invasion"

    Nice... "illegal invasion". This of course immediately puts into fact that there can be illegal revolutions.

    We forget that there is a hotline we have to call to legalize our upcoming invasion or revolution.... 1-800-MIX-ALOT (make sure to press #2, #1/default is not at all related).

    NOTE: I'm an American and we illegally revolted, "legally" we should still belong to England.

    P.S. maybe the word "legal" shouldn't be used to describe types of war.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "illegal invasion"

      Quite. What Hitler did in 1939 was by the terms of laws in his own country, legal.

      Cassus belli is non trivial, but most of the non-republican and non-tony Blair fanbois thought the cassus Belli for second invasion of Iraq was as dubious as that Russia has given for Ukraine. Yet ironically had we finished the job first time around, nobody would have questioned the cassus Belli because Saddam Bad.

      The whataboutism is disgusting and trying to justify a wrong by another outfit committing a wrong is perhaps to be expected of a desperate outfit that has lost all credibility in the eyes of the world.

      A cursory look at social media sees an endless list of troll accounts and/or bots trying to defend the unjustifiable.

      I'd laugh if it wasn't so serious.

      1. martinusher Silver badge

        Re: "illegal invasion"

        Come to think of it post-Revolution we tried to liberate Canada a couple of times. Both times were a bit of a debacle, the second time (in 1812) those pesky Canadians got down to Washington and burnt the White House.

        I don't think its possible to justify war of any sort but it won't stop people from waging it in various forms. We're (that's the US) is waging a form of war against China at the moment ("economic warfare") and also actively trying to promote military alliances to 'contain' them. We've been running a quite obvious anti-Russia campaign for some time as well, we've been fiddling around in Syria for some time (and still have an active troop presence), we don't like to talk about Iraq and Afghainstan and we try not to mention Iran and its "maximum sanctions". The list is endless, really.

        1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

          Re: "illegal invasion"

          Some stranger landing on Earth from elsewhere could easily adjudge the US [whoever they are] to be a terrorist organisation after reading all of that, martinusher.

          Are they? Can they be? Who/What decides on squandering blood and treasure on that particularly destructive and peculiarly self-destructive walk on the wild side?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: "illegal invasion"

            Yes, the USA are terrorists, along with their UK masters.

            What rights UK had to colonize India?

            What rights USA had to genocide Native Americans?

            What both of them had to do in Africa and Egypt where they stole literally everything that was of value?

            Let's not even mention centuries of slavery and racism, and various military "interventions" in the Middle East over the past 70 years.

            At this point, the rest of the world which remembers more than 200 years of history has had enough of British Empire and their vasals' imperialistic bullshit packaged as "democracy" which translates to "you are free to do what we tell you or else".

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