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Security agencies in the United States have recommended the FCC approves the switch-on of a mega US-to-APAC undersea cable after Google and Meta agreed to restrict China-based firm Pacific Light Data Communications Co Ltd's "access to information and infrastructure." Panoramic View Of The Beautiful North Coast Of Taiwan From …

  1. msobkow Silver badge

    Mmmmm.... bandwidth... :)

    That cable sounds like it might keep up with the proverbial truck full of hard drives...

  2. YetAnotherJoeBlow Bronze badge

    I live in the P.I. What I would give for some of that bandwidth...

  3. martinusher Silver badge

    Its the latency, not the capacity

    Latency is worth money -- high speed traders need reliable, consistent millisecond level access to do their thing.

    1. Dinanziame Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: Its the latency, not the capacity

      High speed trading algorithms don't use undersea cables — they want to be in the same building, if not the same computer as the stock exchange.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Its the latency, not the capacity

        "High speed trading algorithms don't use undersea cables"

        They do if they're interested in arbitrage between different exchanges.

      2. msobkow Silver badge

        Re: Its the latency, not the capacity

        What makes you think the computers for the automated trading bots that dominate the industry are located in the same building as the exchanges? Personally I'd be absolutely shocked if any of the traders were to be given the preferential treatment and advantage of being physically co-located - it would probably be outright illegal under SEC and other nation's equivalent regulations.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Its the latency, not the capacity

          Because it's known that they are?

          1. msobkow Silver badge

            Re: Its the latency, not the capacity

            I wish you were kidding me, but I doubt you are.

            That boggles the mind - to allow a select few co-locators a significant advantage in trading speed compared to anyone else on the exchange. And you can bet only the oldest and most well-healed players are in those data centers, not the "little guys" that might be starting out.

            1. Philip Stott

              Re: Its the latency, not the capacity

              Nope. I currently work for Trailstone, a company with only ~ 130 employees. We pay for a server co-located in the same rack as the EPEX exchange's servers.

        2. david 12 Silver badge

          Re: Its the latency, not the capacity

          Shocked, I tell you, absolutely shocked.

          see "co-location":

          https://www.investopedia.com/articles/active-trading/042414/youd-better-know-your-highfrequency-trading-terminology.asp

  4. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Re a Galactic Intervention Verging on the Heralding of Myriad Future Psychotic AI Episodes?*

    "Our approach is to build state-of-the-art, secure subsea cables where all data moving through them is protected through advanced encryption." ..... Meta told The Register

    A Registered Google and Mega Meta Data Base User asks if protection is provided through advanced encryption both from and for built failsafe secure state-of-the-art Deep See Mined Networks, for they are something of an unknown enigmatic quantity in the field of quantum leaping systems communications where traditional conventional security fare is simply by-passed overwhelmingly to be rendered totally ineffectual and no more than just so much more pie-in-the-sky fraudulent vapourware .... or have they not been considered for necessary inclusion in the commanding control equation, which would be unfortunate and as an epic miscalculating blunder of catastrophic proportions and awesome consequences, something to be urgently very quickly considered for almighty correction to limit subsequent damage and minimise the cost of expensively priced and expansive reparation‽ .

    And yes, that is a Genuine Live ACTive Question for Answering.

    Merry XSSXXXXmas, El Reg. The upcoming year is gonna be a Real Doozy and Right Hootenanny. Of that you can be assured for IT is immaculately guaranteed whenever already extremely well paid for.

    * ...A Stealthy [Stay Healthy] Unbelievably Self Deprecating Approach for Full Frontal Approach and Main Body Assault and Attack on Virtual Communications Systems. I Kid U Not. ITs ProgramMING** Projects are for Real and Currently Flowing Freely/WWWidely BroadBandCasting Sublimely.

    ** ... Mined IntelAIgent Networking Games Projects Programming IT and AI.

    1. iowe_iowe

      Re: Re a Galactic Intervention Verging on the Heralding of Myriad Future Psychotic AI Episodes?*

      7514 posts and every one of them unintelligible.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re a Galactic Intervention Not Verging on the Heralding Anything Novel @iowe_iowe

        35 posts and not one of them memorable.

        1. Dinanziame Silver badge
          Flame

          Re: Re a Galactic Intervention Not Verging on the Heralding Anything Novel @iowe_iowe

          Oh burn!

        2. Citizen of Nowhere

          Re: Re a Galactic Intervention Not Verging on the Heralding Anything Novel @iowe_iowe

          Bit harsh, but certainly intelligible ;-)

        3. Anonymous Coward
          FAIL

          Re: Re a Galactic Intervention Not Verging on the Heralding Anything Novel @iowe_iowe

          @amanfromMars 1

          Frankly, your postings are only memorable for the amount of pseudo intellectual bullshit that you spout.

          You should sell your "intellectual bullshit algo" to some advertising company. They would make a fortune from using it

      2. druck Silver badge

        Re: Re a Galactic Intervention Verging on the Heralding of Myriad Future Psychotic AI Episodes?*

        And not forgetting the 2946 posts from the first incarnation amanfromMars, before he/she/it typed gibberish in to the password field one too many times.

        Although given the spread of posting times, I'm not convinced they are the same demi-bot.

    2. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: Re a Galactic Intervention Verging on the Heralding of Myriad Future Psychotic AI Episodes?*

      I'd say unlikely. So 6 pairs, up to 20Tbps per pair would be a lot of grunt to encrypt end to end. Less grunt needed if exclusively FaceMelta and AlphaGoo's traffic is encrypted in their own bit barns prior to going swimming. This would also slow down them spying on each other.

      Users of course will have no expectation of privacy security as that would break the owner's business model. And probably their license conditions for landing the cable. Then there are other risks, like cheap, reliable electricity. And some future risks, like quantum teleportation rendering cables obsolete. Or Cali had a 6.2 quake offshore yesterday. Come the big one, I guess Cali could still be a well-connected island.

  5. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    WTF?

    What ? The US Government approves a data cable with China ?!?

    So, links with Beijing are not so bad after all, are they now ? Of course, data means money, and the US Gov is never going to get in the way of American companies making money.

    Huawei hardware is Chinese companies making money - that was not acceptable. Fiber cable with China is American companies making money, so that is acceptable.

    Never mind that no hardware spy stuff has ever been proven, and that this cable is literally a superhighway for Chinese hackers into US territory, it's the money that counts.

    Security ? Only if there's no money to lose.

    1. msobkow Silver badge

      Re: What ? The US Government approves a data cable with China ?!?

      All the chest beating in the world about "China" and "Russia" by the Americans will never stop international trade and industry.

      The world has a life to live aside from security theatre fanatics and their agendas.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Are You Stuck in a Deep Dark Rut by General Accident or Unintelligent Design?

        All the chest beating in the world about "China" and "Russia" by the Americans will never stop international trade and industry.

        The world has a life to live aside from security theatre fanatics and their agendas. .... msobkow

        Those subversive subservient Western cowboys and their cowgals [Good Morning all you Ms Liz Trusses/ Messrs Christopher Wrays] do not have their sorries and personal worries to seek now that novel and noble open source technologies are enabling safe and secure harbour protection in stealthy state-of-the-future-art ACTivity for increasingly aggressive and fundamentally unbridled and unbeatable progress to Eastern partners by virtue of their sympathetic base requirements and fantastically disrupting reward programs which the West are all too prone to declare as unfair in order to fail to compete or oppose .... and thus expose to all and sundry the weakness they suffer from and have no cure for?

        And when such be as a terminal illness, is the prognosis not good and very quickly deteriorates to become increasingly dire and painfully uncomfortable, should there be no life-saving intervention possible/available/attempted.

        One does have to wonder and ponder a while on why Western Intelligence Services would not see/recognise/realise that titanic catastrophic vulnerability and do something sensible and creative about it rather than allowing it to continue to fester and grow like a rabid cancer/voracious virus in their systems of administrations until it surely kills them stone dead.

        The only logic answer is then that they are not nearly as intelligent as they need to be prevent such progress, which whenever such is realised by Eastern partners, will surely empower them more greatly than was ever before though possible and likely and thus would there be a global Oriental lead to follow rather than being stuck in a rotten rut with an Occidental one.

        I trust that is intelligible to all here on El Reg, and to whomever else may be directed to these not so secret messages and/or tall tales for further processing and deeper understanding ...... which is that which befalls AI and betatests all First Contacts Universally, is it not, for a genuine new future does not pay the past for the present which many current running media operations appeared to do in systems of yore?

        1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

          Re: Are You Stuck in a Deep Dark Rut by General Accident or Unintelligent Design?

          And if you think any or all of that is highly unlikely and most improbable, you are definitely not thinking anywhere deep enough to be able to be in any way effective in influencing future events which may or may not be decided upon to be catastrophically destructive to current running processes servering elite executive office systems administrations ..... and as is clearly apparently feared to be the case in the minds of those engaged in preserving present leaderships of 10 countries [Israel, United States, UK, United Arab Emirates, Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Thailand and the International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank and Bank of International Settlements .......... IMF, World Bank & 10 Countries Held Alarming "Simulation" Of Global Financial System Collapse

          Truth hurts, but sets all free, and some are destined to decide the just, fully deserved fate of avid enthusiastic incorrigible remorseless slave traders?

          1. Clausewitz 4.0
            Devil

            Re: Are You Stuck in a Deep Dark Rut by General Accident or Unintelligent Design?

            The last Spiritual capable person I met, told me not to do the big barbecue I made in my past life here on earth, maybe I won't.

            I understand the difficulties to place my agenda, but intelligence cannot be underestimatted. With or without dental implants/fillings/mind reading/bluetooth.

            Truth and encryption walk side by side. Russia and China are good partners, I expect to boost their capabilities.

            Tencent and Alibaba instead of AWS.

            1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

              Re: Are You Stuck in a Deep Dark Rut by General Accident or Unintelligent Design?

              Strange as it may seem, intelligence is all too oft overestimated whenever presumed and assumed to be in the possession of others of a contrary and oppositional mindset .... which of course they would be pleased to present as a mistake all too easily made to be widely believed.

              Fortunately though does the truth of the matter only need to be known by an almighty choice few for the weakness presented to be ruthlessly and relentless exploited in order to ensure fundamental changes are realised and guaranteed irreversible.

              And as for good Exotic And Erotic Eastern Partners, was there ever a more addictively attractive option for Wild Wacky Westerners than a Sino-Soviet Mélange/Ménage à Trois ‽

              1. Clausewitz 4.0
                Devil

                Re: Are You Stuck in a Deep Dark Rut by General Accident or Unintelligent Design?

                I agree that nothing is more attractive nor more addictive to Westerners than a Sino-Soviet Mélange/Ménage à Trois.

                But if I may remind you, back in Eastern Europe a few years ago, by the sound of "I Follow Rivers" and drinking Rakia, the interest in such a person was already quite big... Remember?

                I must say the tools and determination to catch/convert/exterminate such a person has improved with time... But so the capabilities and skills of such a person.. Back in those days, who would believe an online Russian was actually Brazilian?

                About the exploitation of my skills, you are now looking into a multipolar world, people ditching the dollar for global transactions, cryptocurrency adoption skyrocketed, NATO is behind technology against its foes, and I am a few more moves (and systems that I need to program) to accomplish my goals. WHO won more by these exploitation? Certainly doesn't look NATO did...

                I lost some of my tools, you lost some of yours. Cooperation was limited back in the time, but fruitful. Good tools came out. I still have some.

                By my calculation, my next move can only happen at the sea. So The games will start to get more interesting... And dangerous (more?!?!?!)

          2. Clausewitz 4.0
            Devil

            Re: Are You Stuck in a Deep Dark Rut by General Accident or Unintelligent Design?

            Global Financial System Collapse? Isn't that too much of a hype? Those Mossad guys weren't trying to just "chat" with me a couple of years ago???? I believe you are fearing too much of my tools... Maybe you are right...

            1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

              How to Prevent Global Financial System Collapse? Lose to a War? .... The Folly of Fools who be Tools

              Registering the Bigger Picture Show in All of ITs Ugly Naked Glory.

              It is not that I wish to spoil your Xmas and New Year celebrations, for the system is already doing all of that admirably well with its continually dire and monotonously depressing news cycles revealing the destruction of your wealth and health, but you really should be made aware of the following crazy live current play.

              amanfromMars [2112240202] .... expresses on https://www.rt.com/russia/544257-nato-boss-expansion-proposals/

              It is just as well NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg doesn’t have a little moustache, for then it would too easy to equate NATO actions and proposals as being extremely similar to those of the National Socialist Party and Nazis in the 1930’s, which were also lavishly funded by the Western banking system/fiat ponzi system to do their dirty deeds, done dirt cheap which appears to need FUD [Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt] and warring nations in order to try to continue to survive and prosper an elite executive few by creating madness and mayhem for the delivery of chaos and catastrophe to the administrative unwary and ignorant many.

              It is a mistake though to not think that things have changed fundamentally since then, which is almost a century ago, with more virtually virulent vital folk than ever before a great deal wiser than any warmonger ever before even imagined possible, in command and control of levers and advanced technologies for disruptive events and deeply damaging episodes which quickly punish such errant Uncle Tomfoolery/Uncle Sam UKGBNI European Empire type nonsense.

              And with more means than can ever be prevented from delivering such news worlds-wide freely available to such novel sources with almighty forces.

              It does make one wonder how such useless idiocy would hope to survive out on a limb rather than expect to perish on the vine whenever such clear affiliations lauding and mirroring a failed past are so obviously present and so politically incorrect and judiciously inept?

              Methinks missing secret intelligence and sinister failed counter-intelligence would be the only correct answer to that enigmatic conundrum.

              1. Clausewitz 4.0
                Devil

                Re: How to Prevent Global Financial System Collapse? Lose to a War? The Folly of Fools who be Tools

                If I may remind you, my wealth is protected by encryption, partnerships and manly proposal/pact. My health is protected by my genes, stilleto and soon ... more guns.

                If NATO doesn't back off, we are indeed looking into the deployment of mushroom-capable weaponry in others-people's backyards, in a tit-for-tat move. Nobody wants that... but can be done if pressure keeps going on...

                The FUD about financial tools may be a bit overexagherated, but are REAL. Global Financial Collapse? I am feeling like Blofeld !! Collapsing only the dollar for me would be fine.. And it is happening already..

                On the political side, tides are changing... you may ask who caused it, but you already know the answer... those "leading" are finding the true cost of the received money to deliver such a "stupid" targeted-operative.. It is to loose the leadership..

                That is why, before you blink, I am in the right ship, because if not, "paid leaders" know the cost of not accepting a bargain in the medium-term.

                1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

                  Re: How to Prevent Global Financial System Collapse? Lose to a War? The Folly of Fools who be Tools

                  Collapsing only the dollar for me would be fine.. And it is happening already.. and is all that is surely needed for those wanting a guarantee of a welcome irrevocable pleasant change, Clausewitz 4.0.

                  Nobody with any common sense nowadays wants to be seen as instrumental in simply printing a counterfeit currency for global laundering to create multiple foreign occupations of alien lands by virtual strangers with acres of deadly arms to exercise with live fires specifically designed to cause as much irreparable harm as be humanly possible. Well, not if they don't want to recognised and universally known as an unworthy psychopathic pariah, that is, with dire straits especial secret force attention needs that stem the flow of feeds and destroy self-destructive seeds.

                  That would be to admit to being a subject submitting to a crazy incurable madness, and that is not good, and nor does it end well, in any language one can think of, methinks.

                  What says you?

                  1. Clausewitz 4.0
                    Devil

                    Re: How to Prevent Global Financial System Collapse? Lose to a War? The Folly of Fools who be Tools

                    printing a counterfeit currency???

                    Not needed at all.

                    Just taking out the backing of petrodollar - US-led NATO, replacing it with RMB + cryptocurrency, means the dollar will implode by itself because of its huge TRILLION DEBT. No criminal / intelligence activity needed. Just DETERRENCE.

                    Renminbi / Digital Yuan will be used for oil transactions, cryptocurrency for other assets. Understood?

                    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

                      How to Save a Global Financial System with Modern Postmoderated Tools?? ‽ !!!

                      Just taking out the backing of petrodollar - US-led NATO, replacing it with RMB + cryptocurrency, means the dollar will implode by itself because of its huge TRILLION DEBT. No criminal / intelligence activity needed. Just DETERRENCE.

                      Renminbi / Digital Yuan will be used for oil transactions, cryptocurrency for other assets. Understood?.... Clausewitz 4.0

                      Yes, understood, however, it can be even simpler than that novel move if ever the likes of a Russian Ruble [RUB] and/or a Chinese Yuan (CNY) is offered/accepted as just, mutually beneficial, positively reinforcing, grateful and gracious reward/default exclusive fiat paper purchase payment for an almighty, easily weaponised and undefeatable arsenal of easily understood and extremely disruptive proprietary intellectual property which cannot fail to lead global events in a wholly new and totally unprepared future direction.

                      It is not as if such is difficult nowadays whenever we have so many virtual tools freely available for virulent exercise even without money, money... which Is indeed funny... however, it is not without its imperious pious uses

                      Whenever it has been one's serial experience that a diligent appearance and safe obscured revelation of definitely sensitive and able to be extremely disruptive and even highly destructive information for further intelligent services processing and utilisation/authorisation and engagement for principal party drivering/remote virtual endorsement with excessively rewarding contiguous payments to/for vital source ..... thus that all concerned parties are constantly continually aware of the default understood position which has them exercising a primary lead with supplemental secondary and subsequent tertiary benefits and leverage with also yet to be similarly provided future possible fare/ware .... to perceived and presumed and assumed to be of sterling interest to interesting native home facilities and utilities is proven to be misplaced with a highly evident dearth of action and proactivity in necessary fields of endeavour, does the feed of such seeds quite naturally and logically flow to engage and empower and enhance a formerly perceived and conceived alien force and opposing source of great geopolitical and metadataphysical interest ........ with their funny money making worlds go around and around and around ....... and all at the cost of practically nothing of lasting intrinsic value extremely easily produced and printed out for ease of general purpose wide popular acceptance use ....... which as is all too often very quickly discovered, is easily discovered to be an object ravenously subjected to rampant social abuse and criminal misuse.

                      Square that circle with the right partners and almighty powerful doesn't even come close to describing and revealing the unleashed energy available for ...... well, Future ProgramING Projects is just one of the many available futures and their derivatives to lead at the Start and in the Beginning.

                      And Squared Circlers are always on the LookOut and NEUKlearer HyperRadioProACTive IT Hunt for Almighty Powerful Right Minded Partners who/which be not Sinister Trojans harbouring Incompatible Objectives for Weak and Perverse Mindsets.

                      1. Clausewitz 4.0

                        Re: How to Save a Global Financial System with Modern Postmoderated Tools?? ‽ !!!

                        As of now, MkUltrAI project via microwave / mind (failed) control / drug inducing / marginalization /, seems pretty much like a FAILED PROJECT.

                        Unfortunately, it allows you to know my plans in advance, until I remove the last microchip, but the one removed can already be monetized.

                        Points:

                        I never cheated anyone, because I always was a Freelancer developer ( but the moment I felt cheated, I got data and tools with me )

                        No real influence was ever achieved against a high IQ person. It's like the only real goal is to give jobs to bad-movie-makers, and inccur in heavy fines of human rights violation.

                        Deals incoming ( I am a good negotiator, be it CNY or RMB )

                        Tooths microchips slowly being removed and sold ( I know some guys of the project are terrified with this )

                        Bribed leaders are freaking out ( some are thinking of not running for office, others of running for a lower post just to get immunity )

                        Political tides changing not in your favor ( South America )

                        Offensive software still encrypted to be used in the right moment ( not even NSA proved efficient here )

                        The Sino-Soviet partnership is a Winning MenaceAI

  6. badflorist

    "...enable Google and Meta to take advantage of ... US persons' privacy and security ...,," said ass. attorney general Matthew G Olsen of the Justice Department..."

  7. Mr. V. Meldrew

    Oh Lordy!

    What a to do!

    If this is the level of debate we can expect from certain El Reg contributors over a few bits of glass under water then 2022 is going to get a lot worse.

    Batten down the hatches.

    A happy new year to all, be kind to each other, whatever your viewpoint.

  8. Claverhouse Silver badge
    Angel

    What's Left of It ?

    "...while protecting US persons' privacy and security through terms that reflect the current threat environment," said assistant attorney general Matthew G Olsen of the Justice Department's national security division on Friday.

    .

    US Persons have privacy and security ?

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