Shouldn’t have annoyed the orange one.
AWS has come out with guns blazing after the US Department of Defense's (DoD) reaffirmed Microsoft's JEDI contract win on Friday, with the cloud vendor alleging the award was a “flawed, biased, and politically corrupted decision,” that had been directly and improperly influenced by US President Donald Trump. The contentious $ …
Monday 7th September 2020 12:50 GMT Robert Grant
Monday 7th September 2020 13:06 GMT AMBxx
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Monday 7th September 2020 23:24 GMT Peter-Waterman1
Tuesday 8th September 2020 07:08 GMT AMBxx
Tuesday 8th September 2020 15:31 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Let's be honest - they are the leader
The MS outages are normally on bits that don't affect many people or on some trivial service.
Really? Try searching El Reg for Azure Outages and you may find a different viewpoint to this.
And these are just the ones that make El Reg...Try searching for GCP/AWS Outages...Nothing like it
Monday 7th September 2020 13:08 GMT Anonymous Coward
Monday 7th September 2020 16:18 GMT doublelayer
Re: Was this the contract that was originally awarded to AWS?
No, the article describes in more detail, but the course was basically this:
Contract created by department, bids requested -> Oracle's bid to run part rejected as the provider needs to run all of it -> Google decides to drop out -> Amazon and Microsoft submit bids -> Microsoft's bid accepted -> Amazon sues saying Microsoft's is invalid -> Oracle sues saying "we want money and we're unhappy we didn't get some" -> Amazon wins a preliminary case -> Oracle eventually loses theirs -> Amazon loses a case -> Amazon wins a case -> department says they still like Microsoft -> Amazon doesn't like to hear that, tries again -> you are here.
Expect that this will end soon, maybe 2027 or so.
Wednesday 9th September 2020 17:15 GMT EnviableOne
Re: Was this the contract that was originally awarded to AWS?
Get it right
RFQ was sent out AWS, MS, and Oracle/IBM submitted bids
IBM/Oracle as a multi vendor bid was rejected (Larry spit his dummy and sued)
MS didnt like the clarifications and pulled from the competition, leaving only the AWS bid standing
DoD annouced AWS won, POTUS forced DoD into a review of the process
MS were then announced as winner (even though they pulled out)
AWS the sued saying MS doesnt meet the requirements and they should have won as the only viable bidder.
Monday 7th September 2020 14:37 GMT a_yank_lurker
No matter who won the contract there were going to be (meritless) lawsuits claiming it was not properly awarded. A contract this big is bound to get scrutiny. With hardware (ships, planes, etc.) it is easier for the losers to still get some subcontracts as a consolation prize from the winner. Plus there is often another project to bid on in the near future. With this type of project it's all-or-nothing, the prime is not going to subcontract out anything worthwhile to get the losing bidders.
Monday 7th September 2020 16:07 GMT amanfromMars 1
Private Military Contractors for Novel Space Missions/Future Civil Virtual Defence Projects.
FFS, Oracle and Amazon Web Services, stop whining like two jilted schoolgirls and think about setting up your own JEDI Operations. It aint rocket science, is it?
Give the military something else to think about, exercising and exhausting their great matter if you think they are worth it.
Monday 7th September 2020 20:31 GMT ThinkingMonkey
Is that really your bottom dollar?
If Amazon could afford to provide their unmatched, spectacular service that is (at least) like, 11,000 times better than Microsoft's for "tens of millions of dollars less", why didn't they bid that the first go-round? It reminds me of those street vendors that ask 100 quid for a t-shirt, you say "I only have 2 quid." and he says "Okay, sold."
Tuesday 8th September 2020 08:17 GMT NeilPost
Re: Is that really your bottom dollar?
Why does it need to be 11,000 times better??
Surely reaching the stated procurement performance thresholds and price is enough and then ‘better’ will be objective.
A USA indigenous SUV will be about the same price as a Japanese or Korean SUV... but on warranty and reliability and general CSAT metrics ‘it being better’ you’d choose (a US built) Honda/Acura/Toyota and Kia/Hyundai all day over Ford/GMC/Dodge/Cadillac etc...
Monday 7th September 2020 22:03 GMT Dinanziame
Tuesday 8th September 2020 00:53 GMT HildyJ
Not just clouds
This will be decided in a battle over the nitty-gritty.
Having worked as an evaluator0 for major government contracts (just little ones - hundreds of millions), no proposal is ever fully compliant. Then you get into questions of how the companies support item 1, 2, etc. Then you evaluate and rank each one. If I had to guess (based on no knowledge of the details of the Request for Proposal) I would say that deciding factor was existing IT infrastructure (which MS has due to its Windows contract with DoD) and that Amazon's experience on the CIA contract was not as significant. After all, the military likes "boots on the ground."
It will be years before this is sorted.
Tuesday 8th September 2020 05:13 GMT Concrete Gannet
Re: Not just clouds
Agreed. AWS's objections seem to be a combination of assertions "we're years ahead, how could anybody be remotely competitive?" and "see that corner of the requirements, one thousandth of the overall spec and dollar value? Well Microsoft didn't precisely meet them. In our judgement."
I think any other large customer contemplating a deal of this scale will be marking AWS down. They are not respecting the customer at all. AWS should eat humble pie on this one, recognise customers don't see their product in the same way they do, and work out what to do differently next time.
If customers can't immediately see the innate superiority of their product, maybe that's because it isn't there.
Tuesday 8th September 2020 08:49 GMT TireIron
A Worrying Trend Is Starting...
The one where a company lose a bid for a contract so you go to court until they win.
I believe this is going to be a trend that will grow over the coming years for those companies with deep pockets.
Might be quicker to let the courts decide who should win a bid,
Then we might end up with the courts be sued! That might be interesting,
Tuesday 8th September 2020 12:32 GMT Anonymous Coward
Tuesday 8th September 2020 13:42 GMT Anonymous Coward
There's nothing new about an administration being childish. You're giving the current one too much credit for inventiveness and change - far too much. I don't see anything new here - other than the insistence of those always looking for something to point out being more intense than ever. In other words, the outsiders are the ones reaching new heights of childishness.
They can't seem to realize that it drives more people to support those who seem to be unfairly attacked.
Wednesday 9th September 2020 17:48 GMT EnviableOne
AWS Won The tender
Oracle,IBM, Hitachi, GCP, AWS and Azure all responded to the JEDI RFP
GCP pulled out, as they couldnt meet the requirements cost effectivley
Hitachi got ejected in round 1
Oracle and IBM got ejected in round 2 due to not being able to fullfill the whole contract
AWS and MS got shortlisted,
DoD went back to the pair over the details, and requested MS beefed up some areas of theirs, they decided not to,
AWS was the only bidder to meet all the requirements and was about to be awarded the contract, untill Trump stuck his oar in.
Mark Esper announced he would review the process before it was awarded, then with his son working for IBM, had to recuse himself
his deputy under pressure from POTUS said there were some issues with how the latter rounds were performed or something like that and went back to the initial Proposals, and awarded to MS, as their bid was cheaper (but their bid didnt fullfill all the requirements.)
Oracle and IBM filed Suit based on the Open door between AWS and DoD, which they recon gave AWS more influence over the process, but this was thrown out all the way up the courts.
AWS filed their suit afterthe review awarded the contract to MS, stating that MS's bid did not meet the requirements, so they should not have been awarded the contract. Based on the briefs from both sides, the court granted Amazon an injuction to stop MS starting work untill the case was settled.
IMHO, the lot of them are shady SOBs and the only ones making money off this are lawyers.
However, the only bid to fully meet DoDs requirements was Amazon's and it should have won
However as Cheeto-in-chief hates Jeff, his dusty fingers are all over the award to his mate SatNad