back to article 51 years after humans first set foot on the Moon, a deepfaked Nixon mourns how Armstrong and Aldrin never made it home

On the 51st anniversary of the Apollo 11 landing, MIT boffins have given an insight into an alternative history, one where US president Richard Nixon paid tribute to the astronauts who would not be returning from the Moon. Not to be confused with the Apple TV series For All Mankind, which presented its own alternate timeline, …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Alternative fakery

    We know they never went to the moon anyway, so what's the big deal?

    1. seven of five Silver badge

      Re: Alternative fakery

      How could they? "that is no moon."

      1. Darkk

        Re: Alternative fakery

        That's no moon...that's a space station!

    2. Patched Out
      Holmes

      Re: Alternative fakery

      @AC: "We know they never went to the moon anyway, so what's the big deal?"

      I sincerely hope you are kidding.

    3. HildyJ Silver badge
      Pint

      Re: Alternative fakery

      The samples were clearly faked as everyone knows the moon is made of green cheese (probably Sage Derby).

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Alternative fakery

        I think the advanced British moon landing program proved it was Wenslydale

        1. Charlie van Becelaere

          Re: Alternative fakery

          Yes?

          Oh, sorry. Wenslydale's my name. I thought you were talking to me.

      2. zuckzuckgo Bronze badge

        Re: Alternative fakery

        >probably Sage Derby

        No, Venezuelan beaver cheese.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Alien

      Re: Alternative fakery

      "My fellow Americans, today our nation and space program has suffered a tragic loss. While on his Apollo mission, Astronaut Neil Armstrong succumbed to a serious case of food poisoning. It seems that between takes on the Moon landing soundstage, Neil ate some egg salad that had been left out for several hours on the craft services table. He always loved that stuff, and through some mistake the spread was not refreshed on schedule.

      We remain committed to the Moon and the Apollo Program, and are in negotiations right now with Rock Hudson and Charlton Heston. We think that either of these fine Americans will make a great stoic mission commander, though Chuck keeps rattling on about his fear of "damned dirty apes"."

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Alternative fakery

        No OJ Simpson?

    5. david 12

      Re: Alternative fakery

      >We know they never went to the moon anyway<

      As shown in the 2002 French documentary "Dark Side of the Moon" (William Karel)

      It is very good if you are the kind of person who likes watching history documentaries or are interested in the space program.

      And it demonstrates that you don't need Deep Fakes to do deep fakes. Watch the film before reading the Wikipedia article :)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Side_of_the_Moon_(2002_film)

  2. stiine Silver badge
    FAIL

    of all of the possible choices...they made this one

    I can't believe some people. Someone at MIT needs to be shot along with that at least three generations of blood relatives. They could have picked a worse example, say, the words of David Duke and the persona of MLKjr.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: of all of the possible choices...they made this one

      Surely the point was that the speech had already been prepared? Unlike your example, it is something that really could have happened, but fortunately reality was different.

      Conspiracy theorists are people with a compulsion and they will conspiracy theorise in the absence of evidence, but I think it is absolutely necessary to get ti across to politicians and the public how they can be manipulated. Otherwise it will happen and people won't be aware. Only extreme examples will get it across.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: of all of the possible choices...they made this one

        I agree with you...

        But please understand that many Conspiracy theories have now been proven true after decades` of ridicule. It's rather hard for John Q Public to discern what was real or hidden then, now?!

        We are in for it soon...

        1. thinking ape
          Facepalm

          Re: of all of the possible choices...they made this one

          *some* conspiracy theories have been proven right. That doesn't mean *most* have been, or the *majority* are true. If one can't tell the difference between fact and fiction then life must be very hard indeed. And just because one sometimes get's it wrong doesn't mean one should then automatically believe everything.

          *some* drivers are terrible, and *some* people kill, and sometimes we make a bad judgement call. Does that mean all drivers are terrible, and all people kill and we always make bad judgement calls? no. So why are people so eager to prove their pet conspiracy theory right? Probs cose they have no life and don't have anything more useful to do, or it makes them feel special and gives them a sense of identity I suppose.

          Critical thinking, one of the most important skills to teach, but almost no school I know teaches it. Heavan forbid the people can think for themselves

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: of all of the possible choices...they made this one

          "Many" have been proven true? You really need extensive citation for that. How are you on the softening versus the melting point of mild steel? I find that's a good way to test for nutters.

    2. TeeCee Gold badge

      Re: of all of the possible choices...they made this one

      Oh, I dunno. Trolling the trolls has a certain poetic justice about it.

    3. FrogsAndChips

      Re: of all of the possible choices...they made this one

      That speech is considered as one of the greatest speeches *never* given. Bringing it to life can be seen as an homage by the MIT to the author. It also has the advantage that everyone should know it's a fake, so it will spare us some conspiracy theories.

      Ob xkcd

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: of all of the possible choices...they made this one

        So you're saying Nixon was a fake?

        Makes sense - the American people would never elect such a crook as president

        1. FrogsAndChips
          Coat

          Re: of all of the possible choices...they made this one

          I'm saying he's still president and Dr Manhattan won the Vietnam war.

          Mine's the one with a Rorschach mask in the pocket.

          1. Kane Silver badge

            Re: of all of the possible choices...they made this one

            "Mine's the one with a Rorschach mask in the pocket."

            Is that bean juice?

            1. Robert Moore
              Happy

              Re: of all of the possible choices...they made this one

              "Is that bean juice?"

              Human bean juice.

      2. Mark 85 Silver badge

        Re: of all of the possible choices...they made this one

        It also has the advantage that everyone should know it's a fake, so it will spare us some conspiracy theories.

        So when did the truth ever get in the way of any conspiracy theory? This will probably feed more than a few.

        1. seven of five Silver badge

          Re: of all of the possible choices...they made this one

          Only on this side of the earth, on the underside they know it is a conspiracy theory.

        2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: of all of the possible choices...they made this one

          So in a spirit of equality we can all agree that they landed on the moon it didn't return.

          Now everyone is happy!

  3. Sgt_Oddball Silver badge
    Windows

    Has anyone.....

    Hooked George Orwell to a dynamo yet? Pretty sure his spinning in his grave could power greater London by now?

    Anyone else find it odd that the more the future becomes certain the past becomes less so?

    I mean it taking Gas lighting to a whole new level (though our unelected leaders currently are in the amateur hour level, what with blog editing and denying figures they put out mere weeks ago. And no, going for a drive to Barnard Castle is still not a good way to check your eyesight).

    Can we have our competent but bland leaders back please? All is forgiven...

    1. CountCadaver

      Re: Has anyone.....

      Ditto Philip K Dick and Marshall McLuhan, I would have liked to have heard their thoughts on "reality TV" and Deepfakes...

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Has anyone.....

        Philip K Dick would have thought it was hilarious and Marshall McLuhan was faked

        1. jake Silver badge

          Re: Has anyone.....

          And of course, Phillip K. Dick was the pseudonym of well known SciFi author Jack Dowland, who some say was the best such author of the 20th Century.

          1. Giles C Silver badge

            Re: Has anyone.....

            Other way round,

            Dowland was Dick’s pen name

            1. jake Silver badge

              Re: Has anyone.....

              Whoosh!

              This comment brought to you by the "if you have to explain it" department.

    2. Wellyboot Silver badge

      Re: Has anyone.....

      "competent but bland" Just how far back are you reminiscing?

      Upvote for the Orwell line!

  4. The Man Who Fell To Earth Silver badge
    Alien

    Back Home

    We have their heads mounted above the mantle.

    That's why you folks stopped coming.

    Tastes like chicken.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Esther Salas

    Deep fakes are the least of the problems now:

    The New Jersey Judge that was just shot at her home by an assassin dressed as a Fedex Driver. She was just appointed to oversee the lawsuit against Deutsche Banks for losses from money laundering charges.

    https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/07/16/2063666/0/en/DEUTSCHE-BANK-DEADLINE-ALERT-Faruqi-Faruqi-LLP-Encourages-Investors-Who-Suffered-Losses-Exceeding-250-000-In-Deutsche-Bank-Aktiengesellschaft-To-Contact-The-Firm.html

    "The case, Karimi v. Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft et al., No. 20-cv-08978 was filed on July 15, 2020, and has been assigned to Judge Esther Salas..... including, among others, the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein (“Epstein”) and two correspondent banks, Danske Estonia and FBME Bank, which were both the subjects of prior scandals involving financial misconduct; (3)"

    The Epstein connection will dominate the news, "judge overseeing Epstein case murdered", but see the "Danske Estonia and FBME Bank" references? That's the suspected money laundering from Russia to Trump, aka "the Russian Laundromat". Now Trump will appoint a new judge to replace her.

    https://www.scribd.com/document/406585239/Deutsche-Bank#fullscreen&from_embed

    The scheme is bogus loans, a bogus loan is made in the west between two companies party to the scheme, the loan is guaranteed by Russian backers, it is defaulted on, the company that made the loan sues the Russians, the Russian guarantor of the loan then 'pays out the guarantee', money then flows out of Russia to its intended target under cover of a fraudulent guarantee for a loan that was never real.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/apr/17/deutsche-bank-faces-action-over-20bn-russian-money-laundering-scheme

    "Deutsche Bank was embroiled in a vast money-laundering operation, dubbed the Global Laundromat. Russian criminals with links to the Kremlin, the old KGB and its main successor, the FSB, used the scheme between 2010 and 2014 to move money into the western financial system. The cash involved could total $80bn, detectives believe."

    See the amount of corruption money Russia is flooding the west with? And Trump did a default loan, and that was guaranteed by Russias VTB bank according to a whistleblower:

    https://forensicnews.net/2020/01/03/trump-deutsche-bank-loans-underwritten-by-russian-state-owned-bank-whistleblower-told-fbi/

    "Deutsche Bank’s loans to Donald Trump were underwritten by Russian state-owned VTB Bank, according to the whistleblower whose collection of thousands of bank documents and internal communications have captured the recent attention of federal investigators. Val Broeksmit acquired the emails and files of his late father, Deutsche Bank executive William S. Broeksmit, after Broeksmit tragically took his own life in 2014. Val informed the FBI in late 2019 about his knowledge of VTB’s underwriting of Trump’s loans, information he attributed to a network of sources connected to the bank he cultivated over the past five-plus years."

    You will of course remember that Trump DEFAULTED on those Deutsche Bank loans, and yet the bank kept lending him money:

    https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-deutsche-bank-donald-trump

    "The bank kept writing checks even after Trump defaulted on loans worth hundreds of millions and sued it. "

    And with synchronicity, Barr tried to replace SDNY's prosecutor (prosecuting the Deutsche bank cases) with a lawyer from the firm representing Deutsche Bank. A man named jay Clayton:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/06/27/jay-clayton-sec-sdny/

    Do you imagine Trump can ever give up power? You see how its in plain site. No need for deep fakery when its so blatant that nobody can see the wood for the trees!

    So, you see why USA will face a coup. Trump will grab power, he has no choice. He seems to have found his militia now, in the Border Patrol force, under 'Chad Wolf' now currently snatching people off the streets of Portland. Republicans are so down the rabbit hole they'll follow him in the coup and sell out the USA.

    Deep fakes are the least of your problems right now, the election will be killed, and USA democracy will flip to a dictatorship.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Esther Salas

      Well things could change again. But the news I'm seeing is that the judge's son died and her husband was shot. Very bad day for the judge.

    2. jake Silver badge

      Re: Esther Salas

      Somebody's been watching ::that:: side of YouTube again.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Esther Salas

        I cited credible source and known criminal investigations.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Esther Salas Survived

      Adding:

      Good news Esther survived, she was in the basement, he son sadly not.

      Also good news, in an odd sort of way, the current suspect has a personal relationship to Esther, one of her students, so the motive might be personal.

      So, there is at least one civil case investigating the massive Russian money flow into Trump and his friends, still ongoing, even if the criminal investigations have been sidelined by Barr swapping attorneys.

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  6. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

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  7. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge
    Trollface

    We all know

    that Stanley Kurbrick was involved in faking the moon landings... its just that he was such a perfectiionist, he had them film it on location.....

    1. Snowy Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: We all know

      Mitchell and Webb reenacted the planing meeting for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    deepfaked Nixon

    Could you imagine if this was used by scammers making it look as if a former US president say that he would double your returns if you sent in $1000.00 in BitCoins?

    Oh, wait....

  9. ST Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Bad Joke in Bad Taste

    I can only guess that the brilliant minds from MIT who came up with this doozy do not remember, or even know, who Richard M. Nixon really was.

    What would have been the reaction had they made a deepfake video about Trump? Still funny?

    The main difference between Nixon and Trump being that Nixon wasn't a moron. The rest was more or less identical.

    1. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: Bad Joke in Bad Taste

      Its hard to deepfake Trump because you can't make him say anything more outrageous than things he says on his own.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Bad Joke in Bad Taste

        ...you can't make him say anything more outrageous than things he says on his own.

        Maybe not says. How about does? I'm still holding out for a Stormy Daniels or Karen McDougal vid. It doesn't need to be real. I'd love to see a video of him slipping on the ramp, e.g.

        And I can think of worse things he could, and probably would do under the right circumstances. It doesn't take a lot of imagination.

    2. JDPower Bronze badge

      Re: Bad Joke in Bad Taste

      Bad taste? You realise they didn't ACTUALLY die on the Moon. This speech exists and is in the public domain, all this does is bring it to life and emphasises the bravery of those guys.

      1. ST Silver badge
        Mushroom

        Re: Bad Joke in Bad Taste

        > You realise they didn't ACTUALLY die on the Moon.

        Uh-huh. Thanks for pointing that out, Dr. Genius. It's soooooooooooooo much funnier now. I can't stop laughing.

    3. jake Silver badge

      Re: Bad Joke in Bad Taste

      Might want back and re-read the article, paying special attention to the fifth paragraph..

      1. ST Silver badge

        Re: Bad Joke in Bad Taste

        > Might want back and re-read the article [ ... ]

        I read the article. This has nothing to do with the article anyway. It has everything to do with the video, and its authors.

        There is nothing remotely funny or entertaining about Richard Nixon, in any materialization: real, fake or deepfake.

        Might want to go read some history about Richard Nixon and what he was directly responsible for.

        I'll give you one hint: more than 1.2 Million Vietnamese/Cambodian/Laotian civilians killed by mines, carpet bombing and chemical warfare (Agent Orange / Napalm) during the Vietnam War, on Nixon's orders. I'm not counting the US Servicemen dead, left behind, or who came back damaged beyond repair. While he was proclaiming at home that everything was going just great, the number of casualties was going down sharply, and victory was just around the corner.

        That's just one of his accomplishments. He has many others. Watergate, Southern Strategy, War on Drugs, Law and Order, to name a few.

        Still find him entertaining?

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