back to article 'AI is not the cause, it’s an accelerant. The pace of change is challenging' Experts give Congress deepfakes straight dope

The US House of Reps' Intelligence Committee on Thursday held its first hearing into computer-fabricated videos dubbed deepfakes, quizzing experts from across worlds of AI, social policy, and law. These deepfake videos are typically generated by deep-learning software to fool viewers into thinking someone said something they …

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  1. I.Geller Bronze badge

    Blockchain technology in AI database as a means of combating fake news

    I'm the expert, you need no others.

    The US PTO is the closest in structure to AI database: everything is interconnected, everything has a unique timestamp: each patent is explained by all the others.

    The same goes for AI database: everything is explained by all the information and everything has a unique timestamp. If something is not explained - then clearly something is wrong.

    For example, if a patent came that is not referenced by other patents with unique time stamps - it is either a discovery or a forgery.

    Speaking of news, if the news does not have a pedigree with unique timestamps - it's either a sensation or a fake, which will be discovered at once. (2010, long before the word "blockchain" came)

    AI database is a blockchain database:

    14. The computer system of claim 9 in which said facility configured to extract predicative phrases is further configured to assign to the subtexts information regarding the date of their origin.

    1. I.Geller Bronze badge

      Blockchain technology and AI

      If the appearance of fake can not be controlled - its lifecircle can be.

      Impossible to control what is written and appears, mainly due to the fact that a news is new, often have no history but only of those who created it. However possible to control those who wrote it, as well as the farther fate of the fake - there is AI blockchain technology.

      1. JLV
        Unhappy

        Re: Blockchain technology and AI

        You know, for being the father of AI and ML and an expert at everything, you seem to be attracting Rodney Dangerfield levels of respect and recognition.

        Googling Ilya Geller gets a “Product Manager” Linkedin entry at some sort of security outfit. Not CTO, Product Manager. 4 patents, which I confess I didn’t look at - having neither AI knowledge nor a deep interest in perusing legalese.

        And, that’s it, except for numerous forum/social media “Alice is strong” posts, in which you tout your genius.

        No widespread recognition of your obvious talents by others that I could see (US PTO patents may or may not be significant, based on their spotty software patents quality history). No one else seems to care.

        How unjust. See icon.

        Can you explain? On second thought, your explanations are akin to Amanfrommars’ wrt clarity, without any redeeming intentional irony, so just go away and fade away.

        You been tellin' me you're a genius

        Since you were seventeen

        In all the time I've known you

        I still don't know what you mean

        1. I.Geller Bronze badge

          Re: Blockchain technology and AI

          I had been dying for quite a while, actually for many years. As soon as I came back I got a quarrel with the CIA/ Google - the CIA justly decided I aimed to destroy their creation Google. So no publications, no the Government grants, no Venture capitalists. Ten years I'm knocking on all the doors, behind which there are always people from the CIA.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Blockchain technology and AI

            It's because we remotely read your thoughts.

            1. I.Geller Bronze badge

              Re: Blockchain technology and AI

              Don't ever study fundamental sciences. Never study philosophy. Never think to do business on science.

      2. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Trollface

        Re: Blockchain technology and AI

        you're forgetting about a couple of things...

        a) freedom of speech

        b) artistic expression

        And, from the article:

        "Users can be easily manipulated to like, comment, and share posts without thinking about the potential harm they can cause."

        happens in HERE _ALL_ of the time!!!

        "Potential harm" - to WHAT exactly? If I could produce a ship-load of videos that use extreme audio/video editing to make fun of lib-tard politicians and their *RIDICULOUS* ideas, and how they continue to TRY AND RESTRICT MY FREEDOM [while simultaneously INCREASING THEIR OWN POWER CONTROL AND WEALTH], I'm gonna DO it. Consider it a Guerrilla tactic for FIGHTING AGAINST THEM.

        keep on snarkin' !!!!

        1. I.Geller Bronze badge

          Re: Blockchain technology and AI

          22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

          Yes, there is a certain bifurcation, I find an outlet in the words of Bible... If you don't know what to do - try Bible?

        2. Jamie Jones Silver badge

          Re: Blockchain technology and AI

          Bob, a couple of questions:

          1) If "libtards" are so ridiculous, why do you need to fake them?

          2) If right-wingers are so intelligent, how will your fakes fool them?

          No, the problem is, faking is lying. If it's not hiding it's fakeness, all well and good.

          The problem mainly effects the left because the Trumpets are total morons who believe any bullshit fed to them.

          As for "free speech", if it's factual, knock yourself out, Bubba.

          Just don't someone dare to factually report on the right, because you "free speech advocates(!)" will just blindly shout "FAKE NEWS" and Trump will call you the enemy of the people, and encourage violence (much video evidence there)

          As for:

          "TRY AND RESTRICT MY FREEDOM [while simultaneously INCREASING THEIR OWN POWER CONTROL AND WEALTH"

          What have you bern smoking? Granted, you aren't female, so you're not affected by the right wing abortion restrictions.

          I also assume you don't want to Boycot Israel in protest at their governments policy regarding Palestine, because the good old free-speech loving republicans have made that illegal too.

          As for power and wealth, you are getting confused - it's Trump who is seeding right-wing allies in supposedly neutral jobs - Kavanaugh in the Supreme Court, Barr as atterny general, etc. and it's Trump who tries to sack his enemies, and it is Trump who gave the tax breaks to the wealthy.

    2. David Given
      Facepalm

      Re: Blockchain technology in AI database as a means of combating fake news

      This post's just a little bit too coherent to be obviously machine generated, but some of Geller's other replies are definitely ringing all my chatbot alarm bells.

      1. I.Geller Bronze badge

        This AI technology kills Google, FB and Internet at once.

        Respect for those who haven't read my poetry yet? So I continue:

        A personal profile, consisting of texts structured into synonymous clusters, allows computer to annotate (that is, expand) 1-2 words of a search query to several hundred and thousands, and find the looked for information from a single search. You shouldn't be a qualified and experienced search specialist to exploit my patented AI search system.

        SQL language is not capable of this, to achieve a similar result multiple SQL queries and a highly qualified searching person are required.

        Therefore personal profile is the key to AI technology, only having it AI can answer questions; which this skill is (according to NIST TREC) the essence of AI.

        Also this AI technology kills Google, FB and Internet at once.

        1. David Given

          Re: This AI technology kills Google, FB and Internet at once.

          You are Arthur T. Murray, and I claim my five pounds.

          (And I will be impressed if anyone gets that reference.)

          1. I.Geller Bronze badge

            Re: This AI technology kills Google, FB and Internet at once.

            The Internet and SQL are a terrible mistake! They exists only because n-gram parsing was used! If you use the right (my patented) AI-parsing, annotate words by the dictionary and encyclopedia, allocate synonymous clusters - instead of Internet and SQL will be a true relational database, where everything can be found, nothing is lost and there is no crime.

            This is a database! Instead of spying after us the Government can absolutely legally control it, and we can sue it as much as we want. The Government doesn't need our profiles, doesn't need steal from us - we can get our privacy back.

            Because I made this discovery I can't be funded, many very powerful the Government agencies and people (mostly thieves) don't want the Internet and SQL to die, along with Google, FB and Oracle.

          2. I.Geller Bronze badge

            My AI database is the only place where the blockchain technology is used.

            Someone started shouting about blockchain technology, getting ready to take the stage with my AI database, but then did not dare because I patented everything from A to Z. That's how this hoax with blockchain appeared.

            My AI database is the only place where the blockchain technology is used. The only one!

        2. doublelayer Silver badge

          Re: This AI technology kills Google, FB and Internet at once.

          Let's assume all this stuff I skimmed to be correct. Why does it matter to this topic? You're talking at length about text-based AI and making lots of claims about it. The article is about videos made with programs and the policy and societal facets of that technology. Yes, the term AI could apply to both the text-based things you like to discuss and also the neural networks used to work with the videos here, but other than that, your comments don't respond in any way to the article or to any other discussions.

          The question I'm asking is how your comments have any relation to this topic. I've read your posts before, so the following answers won't be sufficient:

          1. Saying something about how you don't like neural networks because I mentioned them. We're not debating technological differences here; neural networks are what is being used in this specific case.

          2. Explaining how synonymous clusters work. That's part of the stuff I'm assuming to be correct because it doesn't matter, and it is not at all related to the technology used to create the videos or the current policies of any part of the government toward them.

          3. Telling me that the USPTO is like a blockchain. We don't care.

          4. Saying that you don't like SQL or the internet. Not that I have a clue what your problems are with those things, but I don't see that your gripes with these technologies impact on this topic in any way.

          5. Saying the $big_institution doesn't like your ideas. Once again, unless it has to do with a faked video or a political, societal, or technological action that could be taken in connection to a faked video, I don't care.

          1. I.Geller Bronze badge

            Google, FB and Internet at once.

            Impossible to know what is news and what is fake (disguised as news) without following its development. I was a fake myself, and you all laughed when I came here five years ago.

            Therefore, it is necessary to follow the fate of a news (or fake) in time, which means fixing timestamps (blockchain technology. Although there is no such technology, there is just good old timestamps. The name blockchain was invented for marketing.)

            1. Those neuronal networks are neither neuronal nor networks. They do not fix the external inner essence of a person, do not create his individual profile (Lexical Clone). They're flawed, the wrong technology was used.

            2. Synonymous clusters are the highest achievement of what I consider and call AI technology! They are used when indexing information. For example, when indexing video information so that it can be easily found and understood by computer.

            3. You really care! The US PTO is as close to my AI database as possible and I don't know of another database like this. The only thing standing between the US PTO and AI is parsing and dictionary annotations. It tracks timestamps and can easily detect fake.

            4. Oh! Still as affects! Has a direct attitude! If you replace the Internet with an AI database, what happens becomes easily controllable. In that database it is impossible to fraud, deceit, commit a crime. Everything can be found instantly and nothing is lost.

            5. Of course they ALL don't want AI! They are ALL not able to transform, ALL became fossils in SQL technology. Naturally they ALL have their people in all departments of the Government and ALL try to kill AI by any means. Look at our "free" press? This program of misinformation? Not a word about AI technology. Find one article on the actual AI technology in the past 10 years? Only my posts.

    3. veti Silver badge

      Re: Blockchain technology in AI database as a means of combating fake news

      Why does this comment read like a slightly overwrought bid at beating the Turing test?

      1. I.Geller Bronze badge

        Re: Blockchain technology in AI database as a means of combating fake news

        Vladimir Veselov, Amazon - Eugene Goostman is a chatbot that some regard as having beaten the Turing test, ask what technology he used.

  2. deadlockvictim Silver badge

    Expert

    Ilya» I'm the expert, you need no others.

    What is the opposite of a troll? Proselytiser, perhaps?

    I. Geller passionately believes in all that he writes yet still ends up writing like a troll.

    Personally, I consider the consumption of news akin to the consumption of food. If you want to binge on American cable-networks, the fast-food outlets of the news world, then you can expect bad things to happen to you down the road. One needs a balanced diet. You know what is good for you — quality journalism from respected news outlets and you need to consume a wide range of news outlets.

    If your information comes only from one source and is almost impossible to corroborate, then the chance of being fake is quite high.

    1. I.Geller Bronze badge

      Re: Expert

      Yes, I'm a troll. What else do you expect from me? When there is a solution but nobody wants to see it? AI database.

      1. deadlockvictim Silver badge

        Re: Expert

        You see, I don't think that you are. A troll doesn't necessarily believe what he/she posts and posts purely to irritate the initial poster.

        You, I believe, passionately believe in all that you post and are trying your damndest to convince us. When you post that you are THE expert, I believe that you believe that you are correct and write this without malice. From what I have seen of your posts, I would tend more towards you being Aspie rather than you being a troll. However, I may be wrong.

        1. I.Geller Bronze badge

          Re: Expert

          Read my articles at NIST TREC and patents. I believe OpenAI uses my AI-parsing, Why they don't disclose what parsing they use? There are only two - n-gram and my patented AI-parsing.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: You patented maths?

            [fedthetroll.icon]

        2. JLV

          Re: Expert

          There’s another species of troll to consider here as well: the patent troll

          1. I.Geller Bronze badge

            Internal Relations theory of Analytical Philosophy

            I created Internal Relations theory of Analytical Philosophy, which is based on the only known fact in all Humanities, do you know about it? And AI database came from this theory and is based on this discovered by me fact, and SQL - from External theory.

            So the AI database appeared on a powerful theoretical basis, which I created. And you will all pay for my many years of work, which became the patents.

            1. JLV

              Re: Internal Relations theory of Analytical Philosophy

              Q.E.D.

      2. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Trollface

        Re: Expert

        lessee - the solution to RAMPANT FREEDOM GOING UNCHECKED is... A DATABASE?

        HA HA HA HA HA HA! (oh you were serious?)

        1. Trev 2

          Re: Expert

          This guy is Larry whatshisname from Oracle desperately trying to flog us another overpriced database before they (Oracle) become just a footnote on a Wikipedia page.

          Sure I've got an MS Access 97 CD round here he can use for this world saving database.

        2. I.Geller Bronze badge

          HA HA HA HA HA HA!

          It depends on the society in which this AI database, which will soon replace the Internet, can exist. AI database is very easy to control: any movement in it, any new sound can be instantly detected. For example, China instead of controlling its citizens can control all the information in its proprietary AI database...

          But no crime! No fraud! No fakes and false information! In democratic societies everything will be decided in court.

          That's not a question "if?" but "when?"

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Expert

      > quality journalism from respected news outlets

      Aren't they illegal?

      1. A.P. Veening Silver badge

        Re: Expert

        Aren't they illegal?

        Not quite yet, but Trump sure is trying to make it so.

        1. I.Geller Bronze badge

          OpenAI

          I really do not like what OpenAI publishes on its website. The overall impression is that the main objective is to confuse a reader by slippery wording and vague phrases, to hide by any means the used technology. For example, all articles keep absolute silence about the parsing OpenAI uses, how and whether OpenAI uses and detects parts of speech.

          1. steviebuk Silver badge

            Re: OpenAI

            This has to be some sort of AI chat bot test.

            1. I.Geller Bronze badge

              Re: OpenAI

              AI originated from NIST TREC QA and as a result it finds answers to questions in a brief, concise form. In addition to finding AI can also produce new information based on what is available to it, something that never existed before.

        2. bombastic bob Silver badge
          Thumb Down

          Re: Expert

          "Trump sure is trying to make it so."

          Saying things like that is _USUALLY_ called "pandering to the perception" (at least by me) and is a PERFECT example of trolling for up/down votes, etc. [like was mentioned in the article, or at least that was my interpretation of the quote I made a few posts up]

          I'd ask for proof of your B.S. assertion if it was not so obviously 'fake news'

          1. Jamie Jones Silver badge

            Re: Expert

            Well, seeing "fake news" basically these days means "accurate news the right don't agree with", then I guess you could call it that.

            I mean, c'mon, how the hell could you claim that with a straight face? There are hundred of examples (with evidence) just a google click away.

            Just a few:

            A free press is not an 'enemy,' it's a pillar of democracy: Mitt Romney

            11 Nov 2018 | A free press, even a biased one, is enshrined in the Constitution because it is essential to our ... Romney: Trump is wrong to vilify the press.

            Is the free press free? Using truth claims to examine fake news ...

            Donald Trump has questioned the validity and accuracy of claims, even going as far to ... Donald Trump has attempted to undermine the free press in the USA. .....

            Donald Trump and the global assault on press freedom | Financial ...

            12 Nov 2018 | Mr Trump himself has since suggested that other journalists could have ... Under the Daniel Pearl Freedom of the Press Act co-sponsored by|...

            Trump v CNN: lawsuit becomes test case on press freedom | Media ...

            14 Nov 2018 | Donald Trump and several of his top aides were accused of violating the US constitution's guarantee of freedom of the press in a district court in|...

            Opinion: How Donald Trump undermines press freedom at home ...

            26 Feb 2019 | President Trump has consistently vilified the media at home and undermined press freedom abroad. ... DW Freedom of Speech Award.

            Trump's media attacks are an abuse of power. We're holding him to ...

            17 Mar 2019 | The last two years should frighten anyone who cares about an independent free press. Lies are now “alternative facts”, according to Trump|...

            Trump vs. the media: how Trump makes the press into opposition - Vox

            30 Oct 2018 | Donald Trump's media manipulation strategy, explained. ... lied or given succor to violent paranoiacs; we fret over the future of the free press.

            How Trump's 'fake news' rhetoric has gotten out of control ...

            5 days ago | It was February 16, 2017, and President Donald J. Trump had just held a ... Trump offered a new twist on his recent line of attack on the press.

            In remarkable exchange, Trump offers startling view of role of free ...

            1 Feb 2019 | First, that the role of the free press is to hold the powerful to account. And second, that President Trump's attacks on the news media have|...

            Opinion | Trump and a Free Press - The New York Times

            5 Feb 2019 | At the White House, President Trump submits to questioning by The ... of a free press and the courage of individual journalists who embody it.

      2. cd11

        Re: Expert

        No, just an endangered species

  3. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Well, well, well ........ Who'd have a'thunk it?

    Jack Clark, policy director at OpenAI, a San-Francisco-based artificial general intelligence research lab, a former Register journalist .....

    Nice one. El Reg well to the fore in all that currently matters if interested in what the future has planned for presentation .... and virtual realisation ..... with practical demonstrations that easily terrify FUD forces into chaotic self-destructive ineffectual reaction?

    1. I.Geller Bronze badge

      Re: Well, well, well ........ Who'd have a'thunk it?

      I'm the first! OpenAI is doing what I did 15 years ago.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Well, well, well ........ Who'd have a'thunk it?

        Was 12 years ago last week...

        1. I.Geller Bronze badge

          Re: Well, well, well ........ Who'd have a'thunk it?

          Read NIST TREC?

          Examples of the Search for Answers to Definition Questions. When searching for answers to definition

          questions in The Brothers Karamazov I have in particular gotten the following kinds of answers:

          Question: Do you hate me so much? I am leaving you! Two answers with Compatibility 35.4% And if I am

          and with Compatibility 26.3% You are a fool, that's what you are

          My next remark: Why do you insult me? You called me a fool, you said that I am insane! How could you?

          Answer with Compatibility 36.6% : You are a fool, that's what you are

          Question: Listen, you are a hooligan and ruffian! You insult me for nothing! I challenge you to a duel!

          Answer with Compatibility 19.5%: Why do you insult me (This phrase is borrowed from the history of

          the interrogation and it’s mine).

          Question: I am attacking you! Are you ready to defend yourself? Answer with Compatibility 33.3%: You

          are a fool, that's what you are

          I also asked (Clone of) Plato36 some definition (descriptive) questions:

          Question: You are dead for many years. I took your speeches and analyzed them closely. I understood what

          you are speaking about and how are you speaking. Now I can reconstruct your soul base on your

          contemplations. Answer with Compatibility 31.6% : And who are you

          Question: I am your grandson. Answer with Compatibility 28.9%: CALLICLES: Yes, I do; but what is the

          inference

          Question: I need to get the proof that this is you and you can talk and think. Would you ask me something

          that I will know that this is you? Answer with Compatibility 41.4%: SOCRATES: And what would you

          consider this to be

          Question: I know that you like an order. You always were tried to build a system of understanding, the

          system that helps to understand everything. I know that you looked for somebody that knows. Did you find

          one who knows? Answer with Compatibility 13.4%: You have been proved to see that which you do not

          see; and you have already admitted that seeing is knowing, and that not-seeing is not-knowing: I leave

          you to draw the inference

          Question: Am I right? Did I understand you? Answer with Compatibility 14.0%: CALLICLES: I will do

          you the favour of saying 'yes

          1. doublelayer Silver badge

            Re: Well, well, well ........ Who'd have a'thunk it?

            I know I shouldn't do this, but I can't help it. The pedantry commands me:

            "Question: Listen, you are a hooligan and ruffian! You insult me for nothing! I challenge you to a duel!"

            That's not a question. Three sentences, all of which are purely declaratives. Whoever or whatever chopped that book up looking for questions didn't manage that one properly. A little hint for the next patent: most questions in English have at least one of two indicators. The first is that they end with a question mark (?), and the second is that they may contain a word in the set [who, when, what, why, which, how]. Try that one and get back to me.

            1. I.Geller Bronze badge

              Re: Well, well, well ........ Who'd have a'thunk it?

              Yes, language is infinitely sensitive. One sign, one letter changes everything. So I experimented with punctuation, misspellings, word order, everything. Computer easily learns new.

              1. Charles 9 Silver badge

                Re: Well, well, well ........ Who'd have a'thunk it?

                OK, then have your vaunted system parse THIS:

                "I say, I say, I say! My dog has no nose."

                "Really? Then how does it smell?"

                "Terrible."

                1. I.Geller Bronze badge

                  Re: Well, well, well ........ Who'd have a'thunk it?

                  Had no idea my AI parsing was appreciated...

                  The same way as this:

                  ‘What do you know about this business?’ the King said to Alice.

                  ‘Nothing,’ said Alice.

                  ‘Nothing WHATEVER?’ persisted the King.

                  ‘Nothing whatever,’ said Alice.

                  Each word has its own dictionary / encyclopedia definition which is distilled because of its compatibility with this word's context and definitions of other surrounding it words. Thus, each template is uniquely indexed by its words' definitions. The deeper each word's definition (more synonymous included in it) the more unique its index and the better its pattern is indexed.

  4. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    "People watching falsified videos of political leaders could be duped into believing lies"

    Yeah, well people watching Fox News are regularly duped into that and I don't see anyone doing anything to stop it.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    a doctored video of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)

    or was it?

    ;)

    1. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: a doctored video of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)

      what about all of those photos etc. of drunken Mrs. Clinton?

      (One in particular made a funny demotivational)

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    You can replay the hearing in the video player below... ®

    but is is the real hearing, or has it been doctored?! And, actually, did it ever actually take place? How can I verify news site x, y, z report the actual facts, past their ridiculous claims "trust us, because we're trustworthy!"? And is it really Friday, or is it a simulation of, run by my lenient overlords on Monday morning?

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