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Monday, bloody Monday. If you haven't quite recovered from the weekend, just thank your lucky stars there aren’t any major global diplomatic events to tangle with today. Unlike this week’s IT sinner, “Peter”, who writes in to El Reg’s regular confessional column Who, Me? to get an old incident off his chest. At the time in …

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  1. Aladdin Sane

    An server environment

    *twitch*

    1. Phil W

      Re: An server environment

      Not to mention several instances of "the" missing from the details of the trip to Seattle downtown

  2. M7S
    Flame

    Just a beer?

    Or were cocktails suddenly out of fashion?

    (As it's a Monday morning, there's a clue in the icon)

    1. jake Silver badge
      Pint

      Re: Just a beer?

      Cocktails come in and out of fashion. Beer is eternal.

      1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        Re: Just a beer?

        Beer is eternal

        And they have found lots of beer residues in Egyptian tombs to prove it!

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Just a beer?

      Whoosh! (if only the forum supported emojis)

      1. jake Silver badge

        Re: Just a beer?

        Emojis? You mean emoticons, Shirley. :-)

        1. TRT Silver badge

          Re: Emoticons...

          Always makes me think... (To the Transformers theme tune) Emoticons... feelings in disguise.

        2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
          Thumb Up

          Re: Just a beer?

          "Emojis? You mean emoticons, Shirley. :-)"

          Emoticons? You mean Smileys, Shirley.:-)

          1. jake Silver badge

            Re: Just a beer?

            I heard emoticon at SAIL before I saw Smiley on Usenet ... and we will all do our best not to remember the abomination known as the "bixie" ... but "emoji"? That's a bastard begat by kiddies who not only can't remember history and refuse to acknowledge that it exists, they are re-inventing it to suit themselves to shore up fragile egos.

            There must be an emoticon for that ...

            1. Mark 85 Silver badge

              Re: Just a beer?

              Emojis should consigned to the dustbin. I think bixie is already there. The kids don't care and mom and dad probably don't know the difference. I do have friends who still use "smiley" but not all smileys smile.

              I'm not sure if it's the kids who named it that or some marketing clown.

              Emoticon gets another vote from here.

            2. Graham Dawson Silver badge
              Headmaster

              Re: Just a beer?

              Nah, emoji is an nipponism (or a japanese neologism if you want to be picky about it). Emoticons took off over there as a way to quicky communicate ideas over text message, partly because they work well with the prevailing writing systems and partly to fit within the character limits or short messages. The name itself stems from the Japanese love of taking English words and localising them (witness pokémon - pocket monster - and furasuko - flask as two disparate examples). So, just as romanised text became romanji (or romaji) to fit with kanji, emoticons became emoji.

              The word was adopted to the west by osmosis, through apps originally written in japan, or targeting japanese audiences, using the term in their English localisations as well.

              So less of that high-horse rubbish about the kids today, alright? They know more than we like to pretend.

              1. Z80
                Headmaster

                Re: Just a beer?

                The emo in emoji doesn't come from emoticon. Emoji comprises 絵 pronounced e as is bed, meaning picture/drawing and 文字 moji meaning letter/character.

                1. Graham Dawson Silver badge

                  Re: Just a beer?

                  Hm. Fancy that.

                  I think that might validate my point even more to be honest. The word isn't invented by "millennials", is the thing.

                  1. jake Silver badge

                    Re: Just a beer?

                    "The word isn't invented by "millennials", is the thing."

                    You honestly think millennials and marketing clowns aren't world-wide phenomena?

                    1. dmacleo

                      Re: Just a beer?

                      You honestly think millennials and marketing clowns aren't world-wide phenomena?

                      ******************************

                      just like all plagues...

                    2. Graham Dawson Silver badge

                      Re: Just a beer?

                      I'd be impressed with a millennial who managed to be more than 30 years old in 1999.

                      1. jake Silver badge

                        Re: Just a beer?

                        Graham, you are the one who brought up millennials in this thread. I said "kids", someone else brought up marketards. To me, it was a kid who came up with "emoji" when a perfectly good word already existed. And it was definitely the marketing wing of NTT DoCoMo that heavily pushed/promoted the concept.

                        1. Graham Dawson Silver badge

                          Re: Just a beer?

                          You're right, I did, but it doesn't change facts. The man who invented the word was not a kid. The word is imported from Japanese. It has a nearly twenty year pedigree, while emoticon as a word only precedes it by a few years.

                          1. jake Silver badge

                            Re: Just a beer?

                            I wouldn't say it had a pedigree, it's more of a mutt along the lines of a labradoodle. And the point remains that the kid (from my perspective) didn't invent anything. He merely renamed something that had existed for decades[0] and already had a perfectly good name that was widely used, world-wide.

                            And no, the claim that so-called "emojis" are different because they are bitmaps doesn't hold. Letters on a screen are, in fact, bitmaps. And if you really insist, I can go back to PLATO III which had non-ASCII bitmapped emoticons back in the late 1960s.

                            [0] ASCII art started in the early 1960s, emoticons are small examples of ASCIIart. I remember sending my then girlfriend an ASCII rose in the winter of 1968-'69 (PDP-10 at SLAC).

                            -----\--/-<(@

                            1. Graham Dawson Silver badge

                              Re: Just a beer?

                              I'm old, therefore an adult is a child and can be dismissed as such.

                              Fucking arrogant. This isn't a matter of perspective.

                              The concept of making little faces with text might be more than 100 years old, but the word emoticon is only a few years older than the word emoji. They're both neologisms invented by adults of approximately the same age, but in different cultural contexts. One won the battle for mindshare, one lost.

                              Cling to your fantasy of the "real" word as much as you like and complain about "the kids" all you want, you can't change this reality. Why not wave your cane at them as well, while you're at it, and complete the stereotype if a bitter old man who refuses to accept anything "the kids" come up with because it's not the way it used to be done, and change is scary and evil.

                              That's all you seem to do around here anyway.

                              1. jake Silver badge

                                Re: Just a beer?

                                Why does the concept of history frighten you so much, Jimmy? (You don't mind if I rename you Jimmy, do you?)

                                1. Graham Dawson Silver badge

                                  Re: Just a beer?

                                  This is history. It just happens to be history you don't like, so you dismiss it as "the kids".

                                  1. jake Silver badge

                                    Re: Just a beer?

                                    No, Jimmy, I don't dismiss it as "the kids". I dismiss it because there was already a perfectly good word that the entire connected world used to describe the device. The fact that it was a kid who invented a pointless word is ancillary.

                                    1. Graham Dawson Silver badge

                                      Re: Just a beer?

                                      A word that had only existed for a few years at the point emoji was coined.

                                      And your claim that it was "the kids" wasn't ancillary, but central to your entire argument.

                                      "emoji"? That's a bastard begat by kiddies who not only can't remember history and refuse to acknowledge that it exists, they are re-inventing it to suit themselves to shore up fragile egos.

                                      It's fine to not like the word, but all your claims about "history" are bullshit when both words are very nearly the same age, while your constant wank about fragile egos and kids (apparently defined as anyone younger than you who does something you don't like) is laughable.

                                      1. jake Silver badge

                                        Re: Just a beer?

                                        No, Jimmy. That was two separate thoughts in one comment. The useless word, and a rant about kids. So I'm no Shakespeare. I never claimed I was.

                                        "Very nearly" and "are" aren't exactly the same thing, now are they Jimmy?

                                        History in Internet time isn't the same as history in geologic time.

                                        I applaud kids where they deserve it. Like this kid. I highly recommend his product.

                                        1. Graham Dawson Silver badge

                                          Re: Just a beer?

                                          No, you contended that emoji was a word invented by kids with fragile egos and no knowledge of history. You've had it demonstrated to you that this is false, but rather than accept your mistake, you've insisted that you're actually right anyway and that anyone who disagrees with you is also either a safely dismissed child or somehow mentally deficient and in need of your special brand of education (like Jimmy from all those old information films - don't think I'm so retarded that I don't get your sly little joke). Your entire argument is ultimately "I don't like this word that the kids today are using, so I'm going to make shit up to dismiss it and treat anyone who disagrees like they're an idiot".

                                          You're allowed to not like the word, that's absolutely fine, but maybe, instead of patronising and demeaning everyone who disagrees with you and dismissing the more popular word because of "the kids", you could act like the adult you claim to be and accept that your opinion is a clear minority.

                                          Emoji won. It's as simple as that.

                          2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

                            Re: Just a beer?

                            The man who invented the word was not a kid.

                            Your source?

                            It has a nearly twenty year pedigree, while emoticon as a word only precedes it by a few years.

                            A trivial check shows emoji has been in use for at least 50 years. There's no substantive difference between emoji in the sense of "pictogram in a pictographic written language" and "Unicode character that's an icon of some sort", particularly since emoji has also been used to refer to other sorts of icons in computing contexts.

                  2. phuzz Silver badge
                    Headmaster

                    Re: Just a beer?

                    This is your regularly scheduled reminder that some of us millennials will be forty in a couple of years, so using the word as a short-hand for 'bloody kids' is increasingly inaccurate.

                    1. onefang

                      Re: Just a beer?

                      "This is your regularly scheduled reminder that some of us millennials will be forty in a couple of years, so using the word as a short-hand for 'bloody kids' is increasingly inaccurate."

                      You forgot to say "And get orf my lawn!". You should start practicing now, you'll need to get the inflection right when you need to use it.

                      1. jake Silver badge

                        Re: Just a beer?

                        Accuracy is relative. A 30 year old still often seems to be a kid when you're pushing 60 ... not all, mind, but often enough to be mentioned.

                        For the record, I don't think I "grew up" until I was 35ish.

                        1. Anonymous Coward
                          Anonymous Coward

                          Re: Just a beer?

                          "A 30 year old still often seems to be a kid when you're pushing 60 ..."

                          Well do I remember my grandmother talking about "that nice boy from down the street". My dad pointed out that "that nice boy" had two kids. When you're 80-90, anybody below 50 is a kid.

                          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

                            Re: Just a beer?

                            "Well do I remember my grandmother talking about "that nice boy from down the street". My dad pointed out that "that nice boy" had two kids. When you're 80-90, anybody below 50 is a kid."

                            I remember my MIL pointing to "that poor old man struggling to get across the road". He looked to be about 70ish. She was 85 at the time. It's all relative to what is inside your head :-)

                    2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

                      Re: Just a beer?

                      This is your regularly scheduled reminder that some of us millennials will be forty in a couple of years, so using the word as a short-hand for 'bloody kids' is increasingly inaccurate.

                      Bloody kids are turning forty now. Always repeating history.

              2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

                Re: Just a beer?

                Nah, emoji is an nipponism (or a japanese neologism if you want to be picky about it).

                There are kids in Japan, and Japanese kids are certainly capable of being ignorant of history. And we can also still assign blame for the spread of the term to other languages.

                While complaining about one neologism replacing another is an exercise in futility, the Japanese origin of emoji is not evidence against jake's claim.

          2. AlexGreyhead

            Re: Just a beer?

            ... and don't call me Shirley...

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    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
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      A web power switch ?

      I had no idea they made such things. I'm going to have to remember that for eventual future problems.

      Thanks for the tip.

      1. jake Silver badge

        Re: A web power switch ?

        Remote power switches are standard operating procedure around here. Most of the ones I spec can be operated over the LAN/WAN and/or via dial-up over POTS. User configurable. Hint: Don't buy the cheap ones, they tend to fail at the most inopportune time. You'll save the extra loot the first time you use it remotely in your PJs (or less ... ).

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: A web power switch ?

        You can buy a web power switch off Amazon for about $10. They call them "smart plugs". All cheap IoT crap.

        https://www.amazon.com/Socket-ChiHope-Compatible-Control-Anywhere/dp/B074J8HYBP/

        1. Stoneshop Silver badge
          Facepalm

          Re: A web power switch ?

          You can buy a web power switch off Amazon for about $10. They call them "smart plugs". All cheap IoT crap.

          And to operate them from afar you need a working DSL as well as the appropriate hole(s) in your firewall. Those not working correctly could be a reason to want to use the switch while actually making it impossible to do so.

          An Arduino checking outbound connectivity from inside your home LAN and toggling power to the modem is a) not relying on the connectivity it's trying to restore and b) autonomous.

          Improving this setup so that the Arduino (code or hardware) failing is dealt with is left as an exercise for the reader.

      3. Antron Argaiv Silver badge

        Re: A web power switch ?

        They also make ones you can control over the phone or a radio channel. Just the thing when the mountain-top computer decides to go off into the weeds. A few touch-tones and there's your off-and-on-again. Very popular with radio hams who run smart repeaters or packet radio networks.

        https://www.amazon.com/Remote-PDU-Power-Switch-Controlled/dp/B01LYXSB5A

    2. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      Re: Long ago.

      We have 5 nominally identical machines used for "industrial control" use, all around 6 years old now. But one of them turned out to crash at roughly 2-6 month intervals. Memory tests, etc, revealed nothing. Second time it happened it was at 9.30pm on a Friday night while I was out for a beer or three and I had to persuade the security guy to let me in and up to the top floor to push the reset button.

      After that we put watchdog daemons on all of them (and quite a few other machines as well) and in practically every case it has saved physical intervention to restore operations.

      Top tip - edit your settings so the machine just fixes any file system anomalies and continues, and is not sitting there prompting you to decide on the action. For example:

      http://xmodulo.com/automatic-filesystem-checks-repair-linux.html

      In general most modern file systems will be OK for any automatic repair, if not then you were going to have to reformat and restore your backup anyway...

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Long long time ago. in an Age of Conflict and Rapid State Change ....

        ..... Virtual Revolution with Universal Solutions

        Top tip - edit your settings so the machine just fixes any file system anomalies and continues, and is not sitting there prompting you to decide on the action. .... Paul Crawford

        Sound advice for down voters here on El Reg who never reveal the problems/fears they've associated with a freely shared post.

        Have you noticed practically nobody has any problem with pleasures? Makes you wonder why they are not widely lauded and readily freely provided?

        Perhaps IT EMPowers the Almighty for Rewarding Omniscience with Heavenly Foresight in Future Paths to Be Followed/Explored/Trialled and Trail-Blazed? And perhaps definitely IT does all of that, and everything else too.

        That's a Virtual AIMachine you Badly Tinker With at Your Own Personal Peril. Keep Out of the Deeper and Darker Sides of Life and Abuse and Misuse will Perish even as IT More Boldly has to Hawk ITs Most Delicate and Much Sought After Wares. Well .... either Perish or Be Reborn in the Most Attractive and Addictive of Phorms.

        1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

          Re: Long long time ago. in an Age of Conflict and Rapid State Change .... A New Kind of Running.

          Would such as Virtual Revolution with Universal Solutions be AIDivine Salvation? :-)

          And that question to every Wannabe Worldly Global Leadership Contender who/which you might like to consider has Kith and Kin and Skin in Great Games as Immaculate Warrior and Perfect Shepherd.

          Are they Pretty Unique or to be found Virtually Anywhere and Practically Everywhere Greater IntelAIgent Games Be Played.

        2. onefang

          Re: Long long time ago. in an Age of Conflict and Rapid State Change ....

          "Have you noticed practically nobody has any problem with pleasures?"

          I often get downvoted by prudes that have problems with my pleasures.

    3. BenDwire Silver badge
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      Re: Long ago.

      I suspect my beard is a little more grey than yours ... I had a similar device that answered the phone line it was plugged in to, and then turned the power on or off depending on the DTMF tones you sent once connected. Back in the day it was put on the line that had 512k ADSL, and toggled the power to the firewall & modem.

      http://www.automatedhome.co.uk/reviews/telephone-controlled-mains-socket-adapter-mini-review.html

      Ah, simpler days.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Long ago.

        >> Ah, simpler days.

        One job I had a long time ago involved downloading readings from remote tide gauges using a PC and dial-up modem. The backup machine had a telephone acoustic coupler into which you inserted a telephone handset. Occasionally the remote equipment would fail to respond to the backup machine. The recommended fix was to noisily screw up a piece of paper next to the handset's microphone and the sound was successfully interpreted as a request for data!

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Long ago.

          >> Ah, simpler days.

          I heard a story about an engineer who could whistle at just the right frequency down the phone causing the remote modem or fax to answer.

          No idea if that is true or not!

          1. Trygve Henriksen

            Re: Long ago.

            I had a classmate once who could whistle the dialtone so perfect that he did get the modem at the other end to star negotiating speed, so yeah, it's possible.

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