Slack cuts ties to IRC and XMPP, cos they don't speak Emoji One of the virtues of cult messaging app Slack was its gateways allowing integration with the venerable IRC and XMPP messaging protocols. Note that "was" we used back there, because Slack has announced it will close the gateways and apologised in advance for messing things up for users and those who built customisations using …
I assume by SfB you mean "ShiteForBusiness"?
We switched to Teams after the shiite experience we had with Skype ... for an all new level of user satisfaction (not!).....
So, Teams ... in the history of Teams development/QA, has anyone, ever, tried to copy a subset of a message to the clipboard and reported the issues encountered ? Thought not ... no, I will not report that, coz that would help slurp.
Teams sometimes disables video on my box inviting me to "update my graphics drivers", needless to say, I have the latest ... a reboot fixes it, but then I lose state ... simply nuking Teams does not work.
Another issue that plagues teams is it freezes, well, not really, the ui still works, somewhat ... but you get no new notifications ... worse, you do not even get emails of missed messages, well, not until you have bounced Teams, which of course does NOT mean you click Quit from the context-menu, no, that is not enough, in this case .... although that appears to work, you still have a Teams process in task manager that needs to be taken behind the shed ....
The fat app is so useless and unreliable that I also like to have a Teams open in a browser window, so I do not lose out on important messages ... however, it does not like Firefox, so I ended up installing Slurp Jr, aka Chrome ... Thanks, MS ....
I could go on for ever ... got work to do ...
John Cleese style" BAAAAAASTAAAAARDS!"
"I thought nothing could out-crap Lync (SfB), but then I saw Teams."
Well SfB is way better than the Cisco client suite which is the other main option in that space and Teams is better than Slack - ditto. And the good news is that SfB is becoming part of Teams so there will be one unified client application:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/faq-journey
Teams is completely unsuitable for enterprise usage. It is utterly unmanageable. Forget Linux being a cancer; This is the T-Virus which re-animates the corpses of random information and user-designed and created infrastructure leaves it wandering headless all over the Cloud, with limbs falling from the sky and landing in Outlook.
Can central admins create Teams? Yes, but they get full access to all the data. What, like the CxO's chat with his team? What happens when a Team admin-creator's account is deleted? Er... it get's orphaned. What happens with all the data on the sharepoint sites which get created per team? Who knows? When will MS start charging for all those sharepoint sites? Who knows? What happens to to the "Audrey's Baby Christening Party" group? It shows up in the GAL? Can you can't stop people creating random stuff? No.
I had a chat with MS to talk about collaboration and they were asking us what the use-case was for Teams. We had none and MS really had no viable suggestions. That was a funny meeting. As far as I can see, the only use-case for Teams is "people are using Slack and we're hoping that MS might do something with Teams in the future which makes it different from what it is now."
If you are a small dev with no compliance requirements where the content of Teams/Slack is utterly unimportant because your real work is on github, then great.
Otherwise, run away!
Then nuke it from orbit, it is the only way to be sure.
Slack are not surprisingly getting a bit desperate and have started copying features from Teams like Threads.
Yes, Teams is the first conversation software ever to feature threading. No software ever had that capability before the brilliant innovators on the MS Teams ... team ... came up with it.
I don't like Slack and its clones (I still don't see much value in Slack, to be frank). Nor was I ever much of an IRC user. I'm more a Usenet man myself; I'd much rather see a bias toward longer-form, more substantive posts than one-sentence-and-a-link followed by twenty idiotic emoji-encoded me-toos.
But if I must use a conversation-software package, for the love of god let it not be one of Microsoft's half-assed black-box piles of crap. Currently in my neck of the woods we're using RocketChat, which I would rate as moderately terrible; but at least it's open source and thus there's some hope of getting things fixed. (Now if the RC devs would only quit fucking up the UI and actually provide some value...)
Well, I don't use O365, so it's not a no-brainer for me. What is MS Teams? ... Ah, a quick web search says it's... Skype?
Oh God No Please Not Skype. I hate Skype. For one thing it tries to be my Best Buddy and take over the entirety of my computer and my phone. I can keep it from auto-running on my PC, and kill it when I'm finished talking, but any time it gets on my phone I have to kill it with fire to get it to STFU and leave me alone.
I am sure IRC will outlast all of these proprietary horrors. But at any point along the way, almost everyone will be using (or will be forced to use) whatever is fashionable this week. This week it's slack, I suppose: next week it will be something else. Everything that was talked about in the now-unfashionable system will be lost when the company that runs it dies and the infrastructure goes away. But no-one cares about that because its *weeks* away, and weeks are forever when you're 18, and all developers are, if not 18, carefully simulationg the thought-patterns of 18-year-olds.
I am too, but I suspect the way you only get to work on fashionable things is by behaving as if you were 18. I have arguments with people about why supporting tools for more than six months might be a good idea. it is the CADET (cascade of attention-deficit teenagers: I did not invent this term) model of software development.
You can cut stuff that people depend on because you don't like it and it's the agile thing to do. The people who paid you for your product and have to pick up the pieces who are also using agile will implement half a fix, test half of that, put the rest in Jira tickets, and close them in a year or two due to age.
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Emojis are like a cancer. They started with those stupid sideways smiley things and grew into a hideous mass of toxic waste. It makes me want to *vomit* (and there's no emoji for vomit, and if there were, I wouldn't use it anyway because it's funnier if I just type out *vomit*)
icon, because, I'm facepalming. And it's not an emoji.
Face Vomiting was approved as part of Unicode 10.0 in 2017 under the name “Face With Open Mouth Vomiting” and added to Emoji 5.0 in 2017.
You're welcome!
For a moment, that tried to parse as a composite noun, and I'm boggling where else you can vomit from. Though it occurs to me that "arsevomit" has a nice ring to it, as in "the new change approval process is a stinking puddle of arsevomit". I wonder if I can hire Richard Ayoade to say "arsevomit", it feels like a very Moss phrase to use.
> I'm facepalming. And it's not an emoji.
The irony being that when you get right down to it, every single symbol that you have used to convey your thoughts on emoji started life about seven to nine thousand years ago as what you call an emoji (and linguists call "pictograms").
The irony being that when you get right down to it, every single symbol that you have used to convey your thoughts on emoji started life about seven to nine thousand years ago as what you call an emoji (and linguists call "pictograms").
Yes, and then we got better at written language.
And now we're getting worse again.
(One of the features of RocketChat that I do appreciate: individual users can turn off emoji rendering, and see the text equivalent instead. The text equivalent is still stupid, but an order of magnitude less annoying.)
I have a former colleague who is blind and so uses IRC to access Slack. I understand that Slack have a team working on accessibility but unfortunately it is still not quite there yet so by cutting support they are unnecessarily introducing a barrier to blind and partially sighted people.
IRC is the vastly superior communication medium.
I know people are jumping onto Discord because it's "hot shit;" but I read a news article the other day which says they recieve requests from the government and Law Enforcement Agencies and hand over information... which didn't surprise me in the least.
Hence why I'd never use a platform like that.
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