back to article DARPA wants god-mode attribution platform to pin and predict crime

The US Military skunkworks Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is hoping to build a platform to help bolster the treacherous world of attack attribution that would generate, anonymise, and share threat data. The agency is seeking proposals for an "Enhanced Attribution" program which would bring high quality " …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    And when you find...

    ...the hacker in Russia, then what?

    1. Pen-y-gors

      Re: And when you find...

      RAIN DOWN A HELL OF CLEANSING ATOMIC FIRE ON THEM!!!!'s the only language they understand

    2. NoneSuch Silver badge
      Big Brother


      Our mainframe has determined you have an 87% chance of committing theft in the second degree within the next forty-eight hours. This crime carries a sentence of two years in jail. Therefore, you shall receive 87% of that sentence or twenty-one months in jail.

    3. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      And when you find... urDream Hackers, for surely they are more than just any chosen few?

      And when you find......the hacker in Russia, then what? .... Lost all faith

      And when it is found the hackers and crack coders needed are in Russia [or China, or Blighty, or Japan or wherever else they can easily be and may be working with, exploiting and expanding their future novel presentation magic credentials and virtually skillsets, for that is what vulnerable and easily compromised SCADA Systems are taken down and out of Greater IntelAIgent Games with, then what, other than a fortune of fiat banked both on and off shore in their name for spending on life and love's luxuries if one transfers to prime time premier league play with their team, is more easily offered to attract and effect the change of initial product production? To imagine IT is driven, in the first instance, by anything other than a prime AAA primed business sense with a representative physical achievement in virtual cash sums reflecting maximum perceived value in prized product, is a folly for which nations pay dearly in times and spaces of international and internetional intrigue, for Great Game players are ...... well Anonymous Nationalists in a Live Operational Virtual Environment with Ultimate Mercenary Special Force Actors, and care nothing about history and tradition and established conventional norms of pre-programmed behaviour.

      KISS rules in PEBKAC regimes.

      Oh, and you might like to consider that any new breed of Masterly Racing New Orderly World Order player really needs to like what you have been doing in your efforts to command and control events and the future, dear boy, for them to even to think about considering a leading move from one space place to another. If you cannot satisfy that simply complex base criteria then you have no chance of avoiding the consequences of your machinations.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re: And when you find... urDream Hackers, for surely they are more than just any chosen few?

        Although one can always hope that mercy is a concept which can be practised by victors and be available to the proven previously unworthy, and can you imagine the price to be paid for that accommodation?

    4. channel extended

      Re: And when you find...

      Then a US court will issue a warrant for their arrest. And the CIA will do a secret kidnapping and then use enhance interrogation to extract a confession. Thus the miscreant will spend the rest of his life in a secret prison.

      After all, we're the RED WHITE and BLUE and our secret government is the most/best our money can buy!!!!

  2. Pen-y-gors


    Seems a bit OTT just to track down a few luvvies posting nasty anonymous tweets about their 'friends'

    I'd have thought they'd be more worried about trrrrsts.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Actors?

      I know right. Im just frustrated at the fact we don't know which actors are on what side.

      The death toll has been high this year in the entertainment world, it must stop.

      Hans Gruber, Professor Snape and the Sheriff of Nottingham all died on the same day! The humanity.

      1. VinceH

        Re: Actors?

        "Hans Gruber, Professor Snape and the Sheriff of Nottingham all died on the same day! The humanity."

        To be fair, though, two of them were bad guys (I don't know who Professor Snape is, but that's definitely a bad guy-sounding name if ever I heard one.)

      2. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

        Re: Actors?

        And Dr. Lazarus!

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  4. VinceH

    "It should also sport algorithms to predict criminal campaign behaviour."

    To do this properly, they need to look at everything that is connected - including cameras, etc, and incorporate face and voice recognition, number plate recognition, everything. They can then call the resulting system "the machine" and whoever is ultimately responsible for developing it should definitely ensure that even though it is designed to detect acts of terror, it should see everything: Violent crimes involving ordinary people. People like you. Crimes the government would consider irrelevant, and on which they won't act, so the developer should. He'll need a partner - someone with the skills to intervene.

    They'll be hunted by the authorities, so will have to work in secret. You'll never find them, but victim or perpetrator, if your number's up... they'll find you.

    Or something.

    1. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

      Make no mistake: your toaster will rat you out to the feds.

      1. Mark 85
        Black Helicopters

        Make no mistake: your toaster will rat you out to the feds.

        Won't be the toaster. I shot mine last week. However, the refrigerator is getting nosy and acting suspicious....

      2. VinceH

        "Make no mistake: your toaster will rat you out to the feds."

        What? Just because you don't want waffles, either?

    2. Pen-y-gors

      criminal campaign behaviour?

      Zac Goldsmith's campaign advisors?

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I wonder...

    ...if it'll exclude .gov actors from its results?

    Perhaps that's why the statement says it "would generate, anonymise, and share threat data" instead of 'collate'.

  6. Christoph

    "It should also sport algorithms to predict criminal campaign behaviour."

    So they will be able to identify precrime and send a drone in to eliminate someone who hasn't even realised that he's going to commit a crime later - because he has no intention whatever of doing so.

  7. Aodhhan

    Ignorant media writers

    Mr. Pauli,

    Stop confusing Skunk Works and DARPA.

    To put it very simply: DARPA is government research. Skunk Works is a group at Lockheed Martin.

    Why the two exist are entirely different as well. Skunk Works wouldn't publicly reach out to other entities for ideas.

    I've read other articles you've written involving the government, and most have some small errors to them. Take about 2 more hours and do a bit more research then take more time to actually TALK to people, not persons... PEOPLE. You just might be able to put together a decent article. When you make assumptions, speed write an article or twist it to your beliefs, it becomes a piece of crap and you lose credibility.

    1. Swarthy

      Re: Ignorant media writers

      On the other hand, DARPA and Skunk Works are both examples of skunk works.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Ignorant media writers

        I don't think DARPA counts as a skunkworks. It may sponsor other skunkworks.

  8. FozzyBear

    "It should also sport algorithms to predict criminal campaign behaviour."

    So someone watched minority report over the weekend and thought . That's a cool idea!

  9. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    You know it makes perfect common sense and is default policy for the intellectually challenged

    Something to watch out for if tempted to tempt DARPA with tasty penetration tested goodies ......

    Hackers will seek sanctuary (either physically or virtually) in precisely those states that refuse to cooperate with international law enforcement. These so-called “hacker havens” will bene t from the presence of illicit criminal enterprises, which bring wealth and prosperity to previously destitute and remote areas. Authorities will use diverse tactics— such as offers of fake job interviews to lure suspects into the United States, or waiting until suspects move to locations where law enforcement is more cooperative—but these ultimately will have little measurable impact. In extreme cases, hacker havens could become pro table enough to drive signi cant economic development in some countries—a kind of deviant version of Information and Communication Technologies for Development (ICT4D) —leading those governments to of fer more than passive protection. ........

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      When KISS is more than just AI and Complex and a Great Game to Boot and ReRoot

      Just a few more simple comments on that supplied quote from Scenario 1 … The New Normal/Center for Long-Term Cybersecurity, University of California, Berkeley [:- and isn’t that just so typically California of them to imagine any long-term cybersecurity normality being possible. Way to go, Cal]

      If one considers the calibre of suspects which one assumes will be targeted, is it reasonable to expect that they will be able to be lured to a cess pool, or will they ensure a heaven be provided and guaranteed with all security needs and feeds? What does Uncle Sam provide that cannot be matched and bettered elsewhere without the air of fear and loathing so prevalent nowadays there?

      Indeed, in the extreme cases which so effortlessly and quite magically morph into the many more usual cases and all manner of mainstream scenario events, is such the most likely norm and lowest common denominator for consideration if one wishes to profit and survive and prosper in both business and pleasure with the best of the best leading the rest with their wakes …… and such would quite logically lead to governments offering more than passive protection outsourced to off shore tax haven regimes, which is one of the old classics in the field.

      cc .... :-)

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