Investigatory Powers Bill to be rushed into Parliament on Tuesday The Home Secretary will formally introduce the Investigatory Powers Bill to Parliament on Tuesday, it is rumoured, inviting criticism that the Snoopers' Charter is being rushed through while MPs are distracted by the UK's looming EU membership referendum. The final draft of Theresa May's new Snoopers' Charter is ready to be …
Let your MPs know your objection to this. Now.
You don't even need to know who they are, just your own postcode by using the following site to contact them:
Unfortunately that won't work for me since after entering my postcode:
"Dominic Raab MP has told us not to deliver any messages from the constituents of Esher and Walton. Instead you can try looking them up on the Parliament website. There you will get a phone number, a postal address, and for some MPs a website or way to contact them by email."
Great.... and not for the first time with Mr. Raab
IOW.
"I don't fu**ing care what you think. I don't have to."
Of course the former Speaker of the House (Labour. Glasgow Huge majority) thought the same onhis comments about the MP's expenses scandal.
The SNP MP who got his seat has a very large majority as well.
http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/commons/dominic-raab/4007
It gives a link to his personal site too.
Firstly, I pay taxes in this country. If the different committees, which are funded by the taxpayer, put out devastating reports (and they did!), I demand that they be taken into account. The govt cannot simply ignore them!
Secondly, if the Tories really try to rush this through parliament, it shows their attitude to any kind of oversight (which is the very purpose of reviews/committees). Crucially the lack of oversight is one of the main sore subjects of the bill. This isn't going to end well.
If there wasn't so much at stake, I'd secretly hope that the Tories get a massive slap in the face from (hopefully sensible) MPs as they vote against and reject the bill in parliament. However, I'm afraid that the Tories might play the system successfully. That's frigging scary. Democracy as we know it (or what's left of it) ceases to exist.
Don't forget the tories aren't the only ones involved here: the lib dems connived with them to vote against an earlier sunset clause in DRIPA and labour are well known for their inquisitive nature (think IMP,"mastering the internet" or ID cards).
For that matter labour aren't exactly innocent either when it comes to rushing through legislation. Remember the Digital Economy Act?
That's not to say that this isn't a big problem, but the tories are only part of it considering that they would have problems getting this through on their own.
they wrote the bill
You really believe that? Seriously? Theresa May can't even answer basic questions on this bill, is forced to come back at a later date with written answers - presumably composed by a civil servant somewhere - and you still think that the Tories are the ones pushing for this?
It's civil servants that are in control. Look at Charles Farr: previously head of the Office of Security and Counter Terrorism at the Home Office during the last Labour government and now chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee during the present Tory government, and also happens to be a big supporter of not just the IP bill but also IMP, Mastering the Internet, CCDP and everything else that came before.
Of course it's interesting to note that when public rows occur over whistleblowing it's not him that pays the price...
Don't forget the tories aren't the only ones involved here
I suspect this one is pretty much unrelated to any political party - it's the unelected civil service, especially the Home Office, that has been pushing for ID cards and universal surveillance for decades.
You see the same pattern with every Home Secretary, whatever party they belong to. Start off reasonable (or as reasonable as a Laura Norder loving politician can be) but a year or two later they turn into Judge Dredd, after a constant feeding process - "look at these crime statistics, Home Secretary", "look at these terrorism statistics, Home Secretary", "look at how many plots MI5/6 have thwarted, Home Secretary", "you wouldn't want an atrocity to happen on your watch, Home Secretary". Basically, it's Stockholm Syndrome.
They - and IPB - are Political-With-A-Capital-Pee through and through.
So all the precursors to the IPB, including IMP and Mastering the Internet - both of which happened on Labours watch - are just figments of our imagination? That the spying revealed by Snowden also started on Labour's watch is also not true? (Prism in particular started back in 2007, and GCHQ reportedly in 2008)
By 2010, two years after the project was first trialled, it was able to boast it had the "biggest internet access" of any member of the Five Eyes electronic eavesdropping alliance, comprising the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa
"So all the precursors to the IPB, including IMP and Mastering the Internet - both of which happened on Labours watch - are just figments of our imagination? That the spying revealed by Snowden also started on Labour's watch is also not true? "
at the risk of numerous politically motivated downvotes, I'd just like to add that at least one person of my acquaintance refuses to acknowledge these things happened under Labour, or that Labour's regulatory environment was in place during "the Lehman's era", as that wasn't Labour. That was "Blairite New Labour". It seems he thinks they're different political parties, so maybe some writers on here have that same view?
"You see the same pattern with every Home Secretary, whatever party they belong to. Start off reasonable (or as reasonable as a Laura Norder loving politician can be) but a year or two later they turn into Judge Dredd, after a constant feeding process - "look at these crime statistics, Home Secretary", "look at these terrorism statistics, Home Secretary", "look at how many plots MI5/6 have thwarted, Home Secretary", "you wouldn't want an atrocity to happen on your watch, Home Secretary". Basically, it's Stockholm Syndrome. the Farr Effect."
There, FTFY.
Icon relevant, because I know they're watching.
"I suspect this one is pretty much unrelated to any political party - it's the unelected civil service, especially the Home Office, that has been pushing for ID cards and universal surveillance for decades."
You are correct.
And remember this has b**ger all to do with "security"
It's about collecting all possible information all the time forever. It's about "Give me 6 lines from an honest man, and I'll find something to hang him," as another unelected bureaucrat put it.
Why? Because to the mind of a data fetishist more data is always better and all data is best of all.
Democracy passes into despotism. - Plato
Happening right before our eyes.
I followed the Psychoactive substances bill, expert advice again completely ignored.
Our freedoms our being rapidly diminished and most are unaware, without getting too David Ickian, although I do believe this is what we are seeing!
Posted AC for obvious reasons!
Employ experts, experts report, they don't say what you want, ignore said experts and do what you were going to do anyway. Same old (s)tory.
Only the lucky ones get ignored. The unlucky ones get sacked. That's probably why most of the criticism has come from outside of the Government.
http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pages/maddox-prize-2013.html
Employ experts, experts report, they don't say what you want, ignore said experts and do what you were going to do anyway. Same old (s)tory.
Only the lucky ones get ignored. The unlucky ones get sacked. That's probably why most of the criticism has come from outside of the Government.
The really unlucky ones end up, apparently, taking an overdose and cutting their wrists.......
seems the bury it 'neath the EU debate ploy is working.
Only working on the hard of thinking.
Purely on Snoopers Charter, I won't ever vote for the Tories again (I'm making the probably correct assumption that they won't ever come to their senses).
Interestingly Corbyn's doing the same with Labour supporters and Trident, so if between them, the senior braying idiots of Westminster can piss off enough of their core supporters, then the 2020 general election could be a real laugh. The only thing we need to work against is the simpletons in the population who might delude themselves that voting for the least worst alternative is an acceptable response.
Snoopers charter isn't a Tory policy.
It's a Home Office policy.
Most of the content of this Bill has been put forward in every recent Parliament with only minor changes - Labour, ConDem Coalition and Conservative.
One wonders why that particular set of civil servants are so keen on these mass surveillance powers.
What is it that they have to hide?
I hate being right at times
http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2016/02/11/joint_committee_investigatory_powers_bill_shoot_the_messenger/#c_2776777
Write to your MP, that's all you can do, but as the Conservatives have a majority & I guarantee they'll use the whip, we can expect this ill thought out crap on the statute books by Wednesday
Also just fired both barrells at my MP.
Took the oppotunity to raise a number of other issues including why he feels the need to reply to an email on a expensive stationary.
I expect to hear his full unconditional support for this draconian bill with a few days.
Mr. Dowd - you don't represent your constituents in the slightest and a growing number of us are fed up of it!
When I asked my MP about something a while ago, the initial clarification was done by email, the formal response by 2nd class post.
The last time I asked my MP about something, my question was completely ignored until I'd sent two follow-up emails (about a montjh apart).
I then got a response - on very expensive paper - providing a vague non-answer to an entirely different question.
I've got a different MP now - who reckons I'd get a different response?
Vic.
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