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Prime Minister David Cameron will step up UK co-operation with India on cyber security on Tuesday in a bid to better protect data stored on Indian servers as well as share intelligence on breaking threats. Cameron is in India as part of a three-day trade trip designed to build stronger business ties with the vast emerging …

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  1. g e
    Holmes

    Right we get the point but

    Wouldn't he be doing better to try and foster some kind of 'bring your data home' initiative to keep it onshore instead?

    1. Matt Bryant Silver badge
      Pirate

      Re: Right we get the point but

      "Wouldn't he be doing better to try and foster some kind of 'bring your data home' initiative to keep it onshore instead?" Well, yes and no. Yes, it should be more secure, but no because it will be more expensive. Outsourcing to India is cheaper, hence the popularity for companies trying to cut costs, but then the cost of bribing someone in the outsourced company to subvert security is also cheaper. The simplest way to break any security system is to get someone on the inside to break it open for you. Training the locals in advanced security will simply make them better at subverting any additional security. Companies can live with that if they simply don't care about the penalties, so we would see a lot more reversed outsourcing deals if the UK enacted some serious penalties (financial and jail-time for CEO/CIOs) for security breaches of outsourced data.

      1. g e
        Facepalm

        Re: Right we get the point but

        I kinda hoped the 'initiative' word implied value-competitive in a political double-speak kinda way ;o)

        DOH!

      2. Gaius
        FAIL

        Re: Right we get the point but

        Don't you get it yet? Yes outsourcing IS cheaper... For the first quarter, or maybe the first year. Enough for whoever inked the deal to be hailed as a business genius and get his bonus and promotion. Then the wheels come off and you're over a barrel. Penny wise, pound foolish as they say.

      3. Intractable Potsherd Silver badge
        Pint

        Re: Right we get the point but @ Matt Bryant

        Well put, sir! Basically what I was going to say. Have a pint on me.

    2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Right we get the point but

      I think you're forgetting who a conservative PM works for

    3. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Re: Right we get the point but

      But then, g e, there would be no one foreign to blame the failings of home security on. Government IT is all about finding a fall guy and avoiding responsibility and accountability for inherent sub-prime performance at glorious public expense.

      Methinks that is the leading point you missed and omitted to mention, g e. Or is that one being too cynical?

    4. Silverburn
      Devil

      Re: Right we get the point but

      You mean to say there's a problem with India? Are you implying that India call centres and data centres leaks like sieves? No...you jest. Surely not.

      /sarcasm.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Facepalm

    Co-operation on cyber security?

    "Prime Minister David Cameron will step up UK co-operation with India on cyber security on Tuesday in a bid to better protect data stored on Indian servers as well as share intelligence on breaking threats."

    Please give our security apparatus easier access to your 'computers', besides HM Gov can't even keep their own 'computers' secure.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What could possibly go wrong, give all your data to the Alabama of the Asian Tigers ;)

    I note their car market is stalled and looks unlikely to break 2M/yr now .... China's is looking to hit 18M this year with growth accelerating. UK sells more than 2M now, Germany about 3.1M. USA about 16M or so.

    1. Intractable Potsherd Silver badge

      ... and your point is ...??????

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        My point is as follows:- "Emperor's New Clothes"

  4. JaitcH
    FAIL

    Cameron is a techno-idiot - it's all off-shored for M-O-N-E-Y

    QUOTE: “Other countries securing their data is effectively helping us secure our data. I think this is an area where Britain has some real competitive and technology advantages,” said Cameron.

    Companies only use foreign entities to save money.

    HSBC hires a special sort of company, one with no intelligent employees who's abilities could be replaced with a screen reader. One female was happily reading the standard response when she missed a word. I told her she had missed a word and asked that she re-read the paragraph all over again!

    And most of these sweat shop call centres are owned by an American company based in California.

    We should expect our British business be conducted in Britain, not in some slum in India where many are tempted to make money on the side by selling data. THE LEAKS ARE NOT IN COMPUTER SYSTEMS, the leaks are by foreign employees who are simply trying to make a few extra Rupees on the side.

    I refuse to deal with these entities, in fact one refuses to deal with me and simply bounces the call back to the UK - which is what I want. If you want the same go learn some 'bad words' in whatever language they speak in the call centre location - you can end up dealing with your British company in the UK.

    1. Matt Bryant Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: JaitcH - Cameron is a techno-idiot - it's all off-shored for M-O-N-E-Y

      I would have to point out at this point that no-one should be even implying that Indian datacentre employees are somehow less trustworthy than UK employees, as all that security know-how we're just dying to stitch the Indians up with comes from dealing with data-thieving UK employees! The only difference is it is cheaper to bribe the Indian employee compared to the UK one.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: JaitcH - Cameron is a techno-idiot - it's all off-shored for M-O-N-E-Y

        You're being more than a little naive about business and government "honesty" culture over there.

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