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An intriguing mini-drama has emerged from backstage at the WikiLeaks theatre. Julian Assange has fallen out with the two senior Guardian journalists who have been central figures in the global publishing of classified US military and diplomatic documents this year. Arguably, he's not a man who can afford to lose friends at the …


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  1. Wind Farmer

    Bootnote question

    Were the other veg cooked more to your liking?

  2. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Exclusivity is a form of censorship

    "So now he's signed up "exclusively" with Murdoch's Times. Gosh."

    Many would consider that a real dumb move, totally at odds with the spirit of Wikileaks.

    1. thecakeis(not)alie

      Very true, sir.

      Hat's off to you.

    2. Dan 10


      Clearly, amanfrommars1 isn't from the same planet as amanfrommars, because that post made sense.

    3. Scorchio!!

      Re: Exclusivity is a form of censorship

      >>"So now he's signed up "exclusively" with Murdoch's Times. Gosh."


      >Many would consider that a real dumb move, totally at odds with the spirit of Wikileaks.

      Speaking of 'Mammon', the saintly aura surrounding St. Jules (partially clipped away to reveal a hoary lower layer) fades daily. He intends to profit from his racket:

      Not so squeaky clean then, eh? No longer St. Julian from Heaven, but El Diablo Julian from Hades. Think on the possibilities here.

  3. The Fuzzy Wotnot

    Oh dear...

    The rate the dopey sod is going, I don't think anyone is worried about him being turned into a martyr when he turns up, floating face-down in the Thames next week.

  4. Anonymous Coward
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    This story epitomises why I have little or no time for either Assange, or Wikileaks. Aside from the rampant hypocrisy of Assange, it shows that he is not a whistleblower calling time on nefarious dealings. He is just dumping stuff on the web as a means of either self promotion, or spurious justification of his wrong doings.

    It is indeed nice to see the tables have been turned for a change.

  5. Colin Millar

    Can this possibly mean....

    That the Daily Wikileaks will now get back to its mainstream job as a lifestyle blog.

    Julian Assange and the Grauniad - no danger of any serious journalism in that pairing.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward


    So Assange's reaction to being fitted up is "conspiratorial" and is mockingly attributed to (woooo) "unseen dark forces".

    So the Reg joins the ranks. This shameful Wikileaks hunt has been more revealing than any popular conspiracy theory could ever hope to achieve. I ashamed to be human, frankly.

    1. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

      Re: conspiratorial?

      Me too. Every day. I look at my dog and I think, dog, I envy you.

      Merry Christmas!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward


        Any creature that can toss its own salad goes on my Karma wishlist.

      2. Spartacus


        Would you still be saying that if your dog was Ug?

        (yay I achieved a legit daily wail link, thats 7pts)

      3. Steve X

        but of course

        "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog."

        Merry Christmas to you too!

      4. Blofeld's Cat

        Right sentiment - wrong species

        Dogs have masters, but cats have servants.

        A festive Yuletide to all.

      5. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Every day?

        I wonder why Sarah wishes her dog Merry Christmas *every* day.

        But who am I to question the small details in the meaningful relationships of others?

        I still wonder, though.

        Merry Christmas, Sarah and Dog!

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward


          I now wonder what sort of Dog Sarah has?

      6. thecakeis(not)alie

        Oh, Sarah.

        Such cutting wit in a single sentence. <3

    2. Anonymous Coward

      @raidets conspiracy theory that is all down to conspiracy theories

      I think you will find it was Assanges lawyer who attriuted the allegations to 'dark forces'. So who is mocking who?.

      I think you will also find its Assange and co who attribute this extradition busniess to some kind of giant conspiracy relating to his entirely unrelated wikileaks shennanigans.

      He says that during the humphries interview. The allegations of rape have nothing to do with wikileaks.

      So boo shucks to you!

      Oh, yeah whilst typing this post I was listening to the humphries interview. He is a creep, I have no sympathy. Thats my impression.

      1. Anonymous Coward

        @ac 10:43

        "Oh, yeah whilst typing this post I was listening to the humphries interview. He is a creep, I have no sympathy. Thats my impression."

        That's a bit harsh - I think Humphries is OK, myself

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Today Programme

    I heard John Humphrys' s interview with him this morning and I thought that Humphrys pwned him. Assange came over as an arrogant whiner. Whether his is or not is a different matter but he seemed it in the interview.

    See for the interview

    1. Smallbrainfield

      Have to agree on this. He came across as evasive

      and rather creepy. I think anyone who heard it will probably have revised their opinion on the man.

      I imagine his lawyers were facepalming in the next room listening to him. I don't think he will have won anyone over with such a performance.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward


        I'm convinced that he just runs this site as a means to get laid.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Black Helicopters

        Have you read about his background?

        Starting half-way through Page 5 in this article:

        I don't mean to speak ill of anyone's mother, but wow... just wow

      3. Mme.Mynkoff

        Radio 4 Today

        Humphreys is a terrible interviewer, he interrupts himself all the time, so the interviewee can usually get away with saying nowt. But Assange came over as very creepy.

        Who needs a CIA conspiracy when the protagonist is as ropey as Assange?

        1. David Evans

          The title is required, and must contain letters and/or digits.

          As far as I'm aware "coming over as creepy" isn't an arrestable offence (yet). He just came over as softly spoken and extremely careful with his words to me.

          1. Smallbrainfield

            "Coming over creepy"

            I have no opinion on whether or not Julian Assange is guilty or even has a case to answer in Sweden. But a lot of people listening to that interview form their opinions based on how he sounds. And sad as it may seem, a lot of people base their opinions on how people look or sound.

            Going on Today was a bad move for Assange. John Humphries technique was honed on politicians with skins so thick they're sought after in Chinese medicine. Assange's lawyers or publicists should have spent enough time with him to know he wasn't going to come across well.

            Maybe he would have come across better on the One Show with Chris Evans?

            1. DrXym

              I think he's better served keeping his mouth shut

              Assange put himself in the spotlight. Either he should receive proper media training or he should pick and choose who he is interviewed by (i.e. definitely not Paxo & chums) , or he should keep his mouth shut and confine interviews to email. The latter is probably more in keeping with his character anyway. While there are some people who can't or won't accept it, everytime he opens his yap in the non-specialist media he is undermining himself and wikileaks.

              1. Scorchio!!

                Re: I think he's better served keeping his mouth shut

                "Either he should receive proper media training or he should pick and choose who he is interviewed by (i.e. definitely not Paxo & chums) , or he should keep his mouth shut and confine interviews to email."

                <Irony>Buhbuhbubuh^but he's a journalist an' an editor, didn't you know?</Irony>

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Just listened to the same interview

      Assange sounded completely reasonable in everything he said. Humphry sounded excessively aggressive, and asked some really poor questions. Seriously, why was he asking Julian how many women he'd slept with?

    3. DrXym

      The Kirsty Wark interview did it for me

      I seriously thought he was autistic or something the way he kept trying to talk over her questions as if she wasn't even speaking. He was very articulate but there was something very odd about it

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward


      I listened to 2 minutes of the same interview and turned the radio off. I'd rather drive in (relative) silence than listen to John Humphrys' forthright wittering.

      There are lots of people in this world who have opinions, and lots of people who are able to ask awkward questions and that alone should tell you that the ability to have an opinion and ask awkward questions isn't necessarily all it's cracked up to be.

      Maybe Assange is creepy - that doesn't make him guilty.

      Maybe Assange is guilty - that doesn't mean WikiLeaks is doing the wrong thing.

  8. DrXym

    The Times can provide invaluable help

    The Times will show Wikileaks how to put their secrets behind a paywall so that nobody will be arsed to read them anymore.

  9. Cucumber C Face

    The bad, the ugly, the bad and the ugly?

    Rarely in the field of human conflict can such an unappealing set of combatants have entered the same ring. In no particular order...

    Murdoch Empire


    Divers crooked governments


    At a pinch I'd still back the underdingo - but wish rather they would all just annihilate each other in a puff of hadrons.

    1. breakfast Silver badge

      Spot the odd one out

      One of those things is not like the others.

      Clue: It's the one that isn't really creepy.

    2. thecakeis(not)alie

      "A puff of hadrons."

      Well done.

      Personally, I tend to think of egos sort of like the magnetic field of an inductor. Ever charged up a powerful inductor and then severed the connection on both ends? The magnetic field collapses with nowhere to go but the inductor itself and the inductor rather suddenly isn't very happy. I personally wish that all four of the entities mentioned would very suddenly and abruptly have everyone ignore them. The lack of attention would cause their egos to collapse suddenly and abruptly, hopefully converting the lot of them into a pink mist.

  10. Tom 13

    After catching one of Glenn Beck's epsidoes the other week,

    I am quite convinced it is a honeypot, just not a CIA honeypot.

    It's a honeypot from a different branch of the anarchists mob. It got sprung at this point in time because he wasn't important enough before now for the accusations to catch much wind. Best part for them is not only does it advance their specific subcause (all sex is rape) it also helps undermine trust in government because they can play the fascist CIA card.

    Not that Beck played that angle. He didn't seem to know what was going on, just that it was all rather fishy.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Glenn Beck


      I can believe that that is certainly possible but please tell me you do know that Glenn Beck is full of shit though, don't you?

      He recently connected the student protests in London with Assange and then a circular nonsensical connection to George Soros. The student protests were not about attacking Royals or Wikileaks even remotely, quite simply they were about many young voters who had their first opportunity to vote, voted for the Lib Dems as they had a policy pledge that affected them directly and were let down badly.

      I actually think that there is a case for a rise in fees or a reduction of the number of students but you can't get away from the fact that the voters were lied to. (yeah, yeah - colation this, compromise that - Bullshit, it was a direct lie to a large section of their voters)

      Anyway i digress - Glenn Beck is an idiot!

      1. TelePom
        Black Helicopters


        He connects everything to George Soros. Eventually.

    2. Mips
      Jobs Horns

      Fascist CIA card

      That's giving Fascism a bad name

  11. Anonymous Coward 3
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    Wrong time of year old chap for leeks to be any good. James Bond would have known that and shot you dead for ordering them.

  12. Matt Bryant Silver badge

    Dare I say it?

    Mr Assange should remember there is no honour amongst journalists. If you make yourself the story, your former journalistic comrades will turn on you and treat you like you're just another story. In the meantime, I'm off to a flashmob snowball fight in Regents Park. Should I get hit by too many snowballs I will be hiring Mr Assange's legal team and loudly proclaiming it was all a big conspiracy, as shown by the mobile records....

    Merry Chrimbo one and all! Merry Traditional December Gift Day to those less inclined to the Christian fable.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Umm, not quite

      There is a degree of honour amongst journalists, and I am glad to see it return: the good ones report without bias, and dig out the lies. Here are 3 free media tips for you:

      1 - assume "off the record" does not exist.

      2 - never, ever lie to a journalist, because you'll pay for that when (s)he finds out.

      3 - never mention any assumptions either.

      Assange cannot claim it's OK to disclose confidential information without agreeing to the same treatment. The information of the Swedish case against him clearly shows he's been telling stories that have no basis in reality, so I can well imagine he's pissed off. It shows, for instance, that this would not have blown up if Mr Ego would have done the decent thing.

      Those women were not out to hang him, they were simply trying to get assurance that he had not infected them. By not bothering to respond to what I personally think was not an unreasonable request to get himself tested he basically dug his own hole, especially as he appeared to have been too impressed with himself to listen to these people.

      He's a t*sser. Or I bet he wished he was one now..

  13. Ian Michael Gumby
    Black Helicopters

    Now the truth starts to emerge...

    "In June he contacted Assange in Brussels and suggested that professional reporters should comb the gigabytes of data WikiLeaks had obtained for stories.

    The site's previous practice had been to dump raw material on its own website and hope it would be picked up by journalists. It was only moderately successful."

    By this admission alone, taken at face value... Wikileaks isn't a newspaper, nor are their 'staff' reporters or journalists. So that any argument regarding Wikileaks as part of the press and should be afforded the protections of the press are misguided.

    At the same time, it meant that Wikileaks didn't really censor or edit what they were dumping. Just tossing anything out there for the world to see.

    But I digress... the point of the article is important.

    It seems that Assange didn't quite understand that when you tell a reporter something you both know to be a bold face lie and to cry wolf, that the reporter will actually call you out on it.

    Assange == Amateur

    Nick Davies == Professional Journalist.

    Big difference.

    1. GilbertFilbert

      Re: Now the truth starts to emerge...

      "Assange == Amateur

      Nick Davies == Professional Journalist."

      So to summarise, you are saying that Assange has rubbed up Nick Davies ego the wrong way?

    2. nsld

      publishing is still publishing

      And bad journalism is still journalism.

      That is all.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward


    some interesting reading here

    A Supposed Assange essay from 2006 - his definition of conspiracy is fairly banal and probably rather disappointing to any illuminati hunters out there, but you can see why powerful people might take issue with him.

    An interesting critique of said Essay here:

    All a bit intellectual but worth taking the time to read. I think it becomes pretty clear why Governments have lashed out, might all be the plan.

    I'm not really bothered if Assange is a nice bloke or not and people who are trumpeting the irony of having details of the allegation leaked are essentially missing the main point. Irony aside, there is a significant difference between transparency of government officials actions and the privacy of individuals.

    For example, if i were a US citizen, I don't think i should have the right to know what colour knickers Hilary Clinton wears but i should know what is done in regards to Foreign policy issues.

    History is littered with example after example of leaders engaged in abuses of power and covering them up, there should be transparency and mechanisms to allow for these people to be held accountable by the people that vote for them.

    Time has shown that the whistleblower is often the most effective way to enact change. Assange may come across as a bit of a dick, but he certainly has the courage to stand up for what he believes. He has certainly upped the paranoia level of the US government, we'll have to wait and see what the long term results are.

    AC 'cos the walls have eyes....

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Abuses of power.

      " History is littered with example after example of leaders engaged in abuses of power and covering them up, there should be transparency and mechanisms to allow for these people to be held accountable by the people that vote for them. "

      Yes. And it was his self-assumed position of authority that Assange allegedly used to get his way with these women. He met them through an event he was invited to specifically because of Wikileaks.

      As an self-selected leader, he more than anyone should be exposed if it seems that he has abused his power.

  15. Peter Clarke 1

    Coming Over Creepy

    "As far as I'm aware "coming over as creepy" isn't an arrestable offence (yet). He just came over as softly spoken and extremely careful with his words to me."

    Just wait until PC Suvidge catchs Mr A looking at him in a funny manner or, god forbid, urinating in a public convenience, then he'll be for it.

    This was meant to be a joke until I relaised that if I'd used 'taking a photograph in a public place' then he could be under arrest


    1. Anonymous Coward

      Coming Over Creepy isn't an arrestable offence

      Well that depends if Ms Creepy consented or not

  16. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    The worm has turned and is becoming educated and wise..... and the natives are revolting?

    "In a rare and wide-ranging interview, the attorney general disclosed chilling, new details about the evolving threat of homegrown terror, and touched on topics ranging from Wikileaks to the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.

    What was uppermost on his mind, however, is the alarming rise in the number of Americans who are more than willing to attack and kill their fellow citizens. " .......

    Of course, because of mess the administration has made of everything with its financial meltdown and serial wars, is the real fear that those they have abused and lied to, come looking for them to settle the score. It is the frightened powers-that-be that keep pimping the terrorist outrages against the people threat, but that is just to stop you realising that it is their policies which are causing all the pain. And the people are getting wise to where the problems are originating from, and it aint from a cave in a foreign mountain range, that's for sure.


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